Red Wave Radio

We have a Wilson 1000 Mag. mt. that works well.  The car has a K-40 trunk
mount.  I want to replace it with either the 1000 or 5000 mag. mt.  What is the
advantage of one over the other.  I know that one will carry 1000 wts and the
other 5000.  We run some where between 2 wts and 100.  Some of you are very
sharp,  so would like to know which one is best.  No other brand need be
considered.
We work primarily on SSB
Thanks for the help,

Bob M.

Bob, the 5000 should offer you slightly better bandwidth with better
loading running a boot.  performance between the two should be pretty
similar except into the extreme distance.  the 5000 may do slightly better
here.  if there is a big price difference between the two, get the 1000.
if it's not that much, the 5000 is worth it and also comes with better
coax.  Sean

Quote:> We have a Wilson 1000 Mag. mt. that works well.  The car has a K-40 trunk
> mount.  I want to replace it with either the 1000 or 5000 mag. mt.  What
is the
> advantage of one over the other.  I know that one will carry 1000 wts and
the
> other 5000.  We run some where between 2 wts and 100.  Some of you are
very
> sharp,  so would like to know which one is best.  No other brand need be
> considered.
> We work primarily on SSB
> Thanks for the help,

> Bob M.

If you must have one... get the Wilson1000. The other is just more money
without any performance gain...

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:We have a Wilson 1000 Mag. mt. that works well.  The car has a K-40 trunk
:mount.  I want to replace it with either the 1000 or 5000 mag. mt.  What is
the
:advantage of one over the other.  I know that one will carry 1000 wts and
the
:other 5000.  We run some where between 2 wts and 100.  Some of you are very
:sharp,  so would like to know which one is best.  No other brand need be
:considered.
:We work primarily on SSB
:Thanks for the help,
:
:Bob M.

Brian you are not correct about the 5000 not being any better than the
1000.
Call wilson and find out for yourself. A engineer told me that the 5000
has more silver, more coil area, and is more effeciant than the 1000 as
a result. He also told me that all of this matters even if you are
running a stock CB. As a sidenote  I have tried the 5000 against the
1000 back to back. The 5000 was a little better. I did say a little! but
the difference is there and for about $10 bucks more why net get it?

MC Turner

This is rubbish... of course Wilson will say the 5000 is better than the
1000, they make more money on the 5000... A little silver here and there
doesn't make any difference. What does make a difference is the length of
the radiators... and they are the same. hey, it's your 10 bucks... he he he

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:Brian you are not correct about the 5000 not being any better than the
:1000.
:Call wilson and find out for yourself. A engineer told me that the 5000
:has more silver, more coil area, and is more effeciant than the 1000 as
:a result. He also told me that all of this matters even if you are
:running a stock CB. As a sidenote  I have tried the 5000 against the
:1000 back to back. The 5000 was a little better. I did say a little! but
:the difference is there and for about $10 bucks more why net get it?
:
:MC Turner
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:> without any performance gain...
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:> :We have a Wilson 1000 Mag. mt. that works well.  The car has a K-40
trunk
:> :mount.  I want to replace it with either the 1000 or 5000 mag. mt.  What
is
:> the
:> :advantage of one over the other.  I know that one will carry 1000 wts
and
:> the
:> :other 5000.  We run some where between 2 wts and 100.  Some of you are
very
:> :sharp,  so would like to know which one is best.  No other brand need be
:> :considered.
:> :We work primarily on SSB
:> :Thanks for the help,
:> :
:> :Bob M.

Prof,

 If the length of the radiators is the same, then the inductance of the
coils has to be the same.   Do you agree?

 If the coil in the 5000 has a larger diameter than the one in the 1000,
it would take less turns to get the same value of inductance.  You still
with me here?

 If I have less turns of a heavier gauge wire, the resistance of the
coil is less and therefore the Q of the coil increases.  Still with me?

 If the Q increases, the radiation efficiency should increase, improving
the transmitted field strength, and the rejection of 'out-of-band'
signals and noise should increase, thereby also producing an improvement
in the signal to noise ratio of the received signals.

 Notice I say 'should', because other factors such as the dielectric
constant of the plastic could have an effect. But all other things being
equal, the larger diameter coil should work a little better at any power
level.
 IN THEORY!

 Dennis

aka #12

I tried the 5000 and couldnt get the swr below 1.7
My 1000 stays at 1.2.I did use the 5000 base due to the better coax.
The difference in swr may not be much to some but with the power I run at times
Ill take the 1.2 match.  

 Ray,

 I wouldn't be satisfied with either!  

 Where is your antenna mounted and on what type of vehicle?

 Maybe we can all help you 'solve' you SWR problem...

#12

Come on... anything under 2:1 is acceptable and anything under 1.5:1 is
fantastic.

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:>
:> I tried the 5000 and couldnt get the swr below 1.7
:> My 1000 stays at 1.2.I did use the 5000 base due to the better coax.
:> The difference in swr may not be much to some but with the power I run at
times
:> Ill take the 1.2 match.
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:
: Ray,
:
: I wouldn't be satisfied with either!
:
: Where is your antenna mounted and on what type of vehicle?
:
: Maybe we can all help you 'solve' you SWR problem...
:
:#12

Quote:>Come on... anything under 2:1 is acceptable and anything under 1.5:1 is
>fantastic.

Yes, you are right in what you say and the radiators may not be EXACTLY the
same length... but they are very close. As for your statements about
efficiency, they too may have validity but in my estimation the differences
in performance between these two flavors of Wilsons should be "mouse milk".

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:>
:> This is rubbish... of course Wilson will say the 5000 is better than the
:> 1000, they make more money on the 5000... A little silver here and there
:> doesn't make any difference. What does make a difference is the length of
:> the radiators... and they are the same. hey, it's your 10 bucks... he he
he
:>
:----------------------------------------------------
:
:Prof,
:
: If the length of the radiators is the same, then the inductance of the
:coils has to be the same.   Do you agree?
:
: If the coil in the 5000 has a larger diameter than the one in the 1000,
:it would take less turns to get the same value of inductance.  You still
:with me here?
:
: If I have less turns of a heavier gauge wire, the resistance of the
:coil is less and therefore the Q of the coil increases.  Still with me?
:
: If the Q increases, the radiation efficiency should increase, improving
:the transmitted field strength, and the rejection of 'out-of-band'
:signals and noise should increase, thereby also producing an improvement
:in the signal to noise ratio of the received signals.
:
: Notice I say 'should', because other factors such as the dielectric
:constant of the plastic could have an effect. But all other things being
:equal, the larger diameter coil should work a little better at any power
:level.
: IN THEORY!
:
: Dennis
:
:aka #12

Quote:>> 1.5 is not acceptable if you are running an amplifier.

>   The above statement is false.  Any well tuned amplifier should be
>able to handle such
>a trivial swr...Mark