> So, what you are saying is that when you buy a used piece of equipment, you
> want it guaranteed to original specs, tested extensively with whatever
> expensive equipment my be needed, and guaranteed for longer than even the
> original manufacturer?
If you say it works, I expect it to work...period! I expect you to
disclose any and all deviations from perfection. Your inability
or unwillingness to test it is not MY problem.
Quote:> PLUS
> You want to buy it for ten cents on the dollar?
> Am I reading this right?
Not exactly. Ten cents on the dollar is usually too much for used gear
on the internet. That is more reasonable at swap meets where you can
at least see the equipment.
I WANT the above. The reason I pay low is that I rarely GET the above.
That's because people lie (commission, omission, lies just the same)
about what they have. That's also why they will accept a low offer.
They often know it's busted; I called them on it. Now that they
know that I know that they know it's busted, their conscience comes
into play. If they hold out for a "full price" offer from someone
else, they have to
admit to themselves and to me that they are a LIAR.
Averaged over a lot of stuff, I expect that the average resale value
of stuff I buy to be the same as the average price I pay. It's almost
always busted! I can't remember EVER buying anything used that didn't
have something wrong with it. That's why the seller will accept a low
price. After I've fixed it, it may well be worth what they were asking.
If the stuff I buy from you happens to be in better shape, it makes
up for the ***I paid the last guy too much for. If you don't like
my offer, you won't accept it. That's ok for us both. No need to get
upset. It's just a failed negotiation. No big deal.
Quote:> Boy, I'll bet you are a real pleasure to have for a customer!
Yes I am. All I ask is that you say what you do and do what you say.
And I'll definitely try to make you say it.
I only want it guaranteed to work when I get it...not DOA.
I fix a LOT of stuff without complaint. I don't remember ever
***ing at the seller about stuff I was too stupid to pass up.
I just get better at asking questions and buy less stuff
from certain people.
So, let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say I sold you
a 100W transceiver and the output was only 1 watt. Maybe we even
had a QSO using the radio.
I didn't mention the dead finals because you didn't ask
if the power was actually
measured at 100W. So, I'm in the clear. I never promised you 100W.
Whether I KNEW that the finals were dead is immaterial.
Would you be disappointed? What would you expect me to do?
How about a disk drive? Works just fine. Sounds like a lawnmower.
Would you be disappointed if I forgot to tell you about the noise?
You didn't ask...not my problem...right?
Bottom line, sounds like someone may have been cheated.
If you can live with that, I'll try to remember not to buy from you.
miker
> TR
> >Well, it depends a LOT on EXACTLY what you said. Generally, a buyer
> >expects items to be in 100% working order unless the defect is PRECISELY
> >disclosed before purchase and the price adjusted accordingly. Your
> >failure to adequately test it does NOT relieve you from the obligation
> >of supplying working equipment.
> >I am extremely suspicious (read pay less) when the buyer tells me
> >anything similar to the following:
> >1)It worked last time I used it
> >2)It belonged to a friend and works great
> >3)I don't know of any problems with it
> >4)I've got no way to test it
> >5)It works now, but I can't guarantee that UPS won't break it.
> >Keep asking questions until you get the following:
> >I guarantee it will be in 100% working condition and meet all
> >specifications
> >in all modes WHEN YOU GET IT, or I will refund your money.
> >If you can't get 'em to say that, assume it's broke and pay accordingly.
> >Any lesser weasel-wording is license to steal.
> >If they're gonna rip me off, at least I make 'em outright lie to me
> >about it.
> >Bottom line: Unless you're capable of fixing your own equipment, know
> >how to substitute
> >or make parts you can't get (or are too expensive), have the test
> >equipment to recalibrate it,
> >and pay, on average, WAY less than the going rate (for average condition
> >working stuff),
> >you should stick to buying new equipment
> >or used from people you know very well. Usenet, swapmeets, any venues
> >that do not allow
> >you to FULLY evaluate the equipment on the spot (and get your hands
> >around the neck of the
> >seller at a later date) are invitations to getting ripped off.
> >miker
> >snip
> >--
> >Big list of WANTS and FORSALES at link below.
> >Return Address is Bogus. Click below to reply
> >http://www.redwaveradio.com/
> >Or you can DELETE the & in the "from" address.
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