PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by Greg Dea » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Dropped into the local RS.  The PRO-94 is now $199
until Christmas Eve.  It has 1000 channels and will scan
dual trunk systems.  They just got in the PRO-92 as well
but it is $349 with only 500 channels but does 10 systems.

Any opinions??

 
 
 

PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by Chuck Ro » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Don't forget that the 94 supposebly doesn't scan trunk and
conventional together.

>Dropped into the local RS.  The PRO-94 is now $199
>until Christmas Eve.  It has 1000 channels and will scan
>dual trunk systems.  They just got in the PRO-92 as well
>but it is $349 with only 500 channels but does 10 systems.

>Any opinions??

 
 
 

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Post by H.P. » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Read the Posts,back-up on this Group and do the Math!


> Dropped into the local RS.  The PRO-94 is now $199
> until Christmas Eve.  It has 1000 channels and will scan
> dual trunk systems.  They just got in the PRO-92 as well
> but it is $349 with only 500 channels but does 10 systems.

> Any opinions??

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Post by Xara Thustr » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Yes; the 94 won't scan EDACS trunk systems (Ericcson). If that is a
point of importance to you, beware. Also I understand that it does
not  provide a computer interface to facilitate up/down loading.

 
 
 

PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by John » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

It scans EDACS very well! It doesn't scan EDACS and conventional at the same
time, however.

John - KB2VOJ


Quote:> Dropped into the local RS.  The PRO-94 is now $199
> until Christmas Eve.  It has 1000 channels and will scan
> dual trunk systems.  They just got in the PRO-92 as well
> but it is $349 with only 500 channels but does 10 systems.

> Any opinions??

 
 
 

PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by Greg Dea » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

: >
: Yes; the 94 won't scan EDACS trunk systems (Ericcson). If that is a
: point of importance to you, beware. Also I understand that it does
: not  provide a computer interface to facilitate up/down loading.
:

The interface cable for the PRO-92 is $69.95 and has
not yet been released by the manufacturer to Radio
Shack.

 
 
 

PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by Greg Dea » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

: Read the Posts,back-up on this Group and do the Math!
:

So far what I read has not been favorable for the PRO-94.

: >
: > Dropped into the local RS.  The PRO-94 is now $199
: > until Christmas Eve.  It has 1000 channels and will scan
: > dual trunk systems.  They just got in the PRO-92 as well
: > but it is $349 with only 500 channels but does 10 systems.
: >
: > Any opinions??
:
: --
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PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by John » Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hmmmm........

PRO-92. Expensive but does Motorola, EDACS and LTR tracking. HOWEVER,
tracks Motorola using subaudible data on voice channels which is NOT as
accurate or fast as data channel decoding, especially on busy systems,
as a lot of people are finding out. Good conventional scanning features
with selectable steps and modes. A good compromise if you want
reasonable conventional and trunk tracking features or NEED LTR. Uses 6
AA batteries which adds weight! $349

UnidenBearcat 245. Tracks Motorola and EDACS by decoding the data
channel. Excellent trunk tracking features. Has computer port and cable
supplied. Can track conventional and trunked simultaneously.
Conventional features not as good as 92 but recommended if you already
have a conventional scanner and are after a dedicated SUPERB trunk
tracker. Proprietary battery packs a minor irritation. $229

PRO-94. Made by Uniden and similar internal hardware to 245. Has 1000
conventional freq memories (245 only has 300 as 10 banks of 30) but you
can only use 500 at one time and most trunked systems only have up to 30
freqs anyway! Tracks Motorola and EDACS by data channel decoding but can
only store 50 IDs per system (245 stores 100) which I would find
insufficient. NO computer port! NO simultaneous conventional and trunk
tracking! NO autolight! $199 (On Offer)

If you're after a dedicated Motorola/EDACS trunk tracker, I'd get the
245 for $30 more, which gives you computer control and those crucially
larger ID scan lists.

........but best go and look at the scanners yourself, test them out and
find out what systems are used in YOUR area. There's no substitute for
doing your own homework if you're going to be stuck with the result for
several years,

All the Best,

JohnC.

 
 
 

PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by Greg Dea » Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:00:00


: Hmmmm........
:
: PRO-92. Expensive but does Motorola, EDACS and LTR tracking. HOWEVER,
: tracks Motorola using subaudible data on voice channels which is NOT as
: accurate or fast as data channel decoding, especially on busy systems,
: as a lot of people are finding out. Good conventional scanning features
: with selectable steps and modes. A good compromise if you want
: reasonable conventional and trunk tracking features or NEED LTR. Uses 6
: AA batteries which adds weight! $349
:
: UnidenBearcat 245. Tracks Motorola and EDACS by decoding the data
: channel. Excellent trunk tracking features. Has computer port and cable
: supplied. Can track conventional and trunked simultaneously.
: Conventional features not as good as 92 but recommended if you already
: have a conventional scanner and are after a dedicated SUPERB trunk
: tracker. Proprietary battery packs a minor irritation. $229
:

Isn't the Uniden 245 sold by Radio Shack as well under
its own label?

: PRO-94. Made by Uniden and similar internal hardware to 245. Has 1000
: conventional freq memories (245 only has 300 as 10 banks of 30) but you
: can only use 500 at one time and most trunked systems only have up to 30
: freqs anyway! Tracks Motorola and EDACS by data channel decoding but can
: only store 50 IDs per system (245 stores 100) which I would find
: insufficient. NO computer port! NO simultaneous conventional and trunk
: tracking! NO autolight! $199 (On Offer)
:
: If you're after a dedicated Motorola/EDACS trunk tracker, I'd get the
: 245 for $30 more, which gives you computer control and those crucially
: larger ID scan lists.
:
: ........but best go and look at the scanners yourself, test them out and
: find out what systems are used in YOUR area. There's no substitute for
: doing your own homework if you're going to be stuck with the result for
: several years,
:
: All the Best,
:
: JohnC.
:
:
:
:

 
 
 

PRO-92 or PRO-94 (it is now $199)

Post by Mike Burges » Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:00:00



(...)

Quote:>Isn't the Uniden 245 sold by Radio Shack as well under
>its own label?

A cut down version of the BC245 is sold by Radio Shack as the PRO-94..
See other replies to the original message for details..

Looks like we will not be seeing too many more Radio Shack/Realistic
scanners in the UK, as Tandy (as it is known in the UK) have sold all of
their shops to a mobile phone chain..  

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Post by Jeff Ada » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:22:56 -0000, "JohnC"

...<snip>

Quote:>If you're after a dedicated Motorola/EDACS trunk tracker, I'd get the
>245 for $30 more, which gives you computer control and those crucially
>larger ID scan lists.

>........but best go and look at the scanners yourself, test them out and
>find out what systems are used in YOUR area. There's no substitute for
>doing your own homework if you're going to be stuck with the result for
>several years,

Like just about any other hobby, if you can wait until a couple of
months after Christmas, you can get a 245 without the 5 second delay
exiting a trunking system (the Pro 92 doesn't have this "feature" from
what I hear). And you can maybe see what the deal will be with the 780
(is that the right model #) mobile. And while I would be surprised if
it was any time soon, I would think that Uniden would eventually want
to do a handheld with alpha-tags and trunking (a marriage of the
SC-200 and BC245).

I wish it was an easy decision... Even $315 (with 10% discount coupon)
is a lot for the Pro 92 (and there's no AC adapter or batteries
included)...

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Post by Victor Heale » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00

HAM RADIO OUTLET has the BC 245 XLT for only $199 in their Winter Catalog.
This is a significant nationwide USA chain of amateur radio gear.
I bought my 245 XLT from them six months ago for $229 when they first came
out.
They sell extra battery packs for $17.

BTW very few people are happy with the PRO 92. Almost 95 % of my email is
running thumbs down BIG TIME on this radio.
I doubt if it is even worth $150 instead of the $330 to $350 Radio Shack is
getting!
Don't buy a used PRO 92 unless you have tried a new one with the Shacks 30
day return - no questions asked policy.

The people who are getting screwed with this radio are the ones who haven't
Internet access. I can't wait to see who tells the truth in the print
magazines about this one. If a magazine recommends the PRO 92 it will be
clear to all that they can not be trusted to deliver an unbiased opinion to
their readers. The content of many magazines is being controlled by self
interest, they profit by advertising and/or they sell the items they review.

73 de
ki4je


Quote:> Hmmmm........

> If you're after a dedicated Motorola/EDACS trunk tracker, I'd get the
> 245 for $30 more, which gives you computer control and those crucially
> larger ID scan lists.
All the Best,

> JohnC.

 
 
 

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Post by Energiz » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00

IN ARTICLE ,  WROTE:

>On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:22:56 -0000, "JohnC"

>....<snip>
>>If you're after a dedicated Motorola/EDACS trunk tracker, I'd get the
>>245 for $30 more, which gives you computer control and those crucially
>>larger ID scan lists.

>>........but best go and look at the scanners yourself, test them out and
>>find out what systems are used in YOUR area. There's no substitute for
>>doing your own homework if you're going to be stuck with the result for
>>several years,

>Like just about any other hobby, if you can wait until a couple of
>months after Christmas, you can get a 245 without the 5 second delay
>exiting a trunking system (the Pro 92 doesn't have this "feature" from
>what I hear). And you can maybe see what the deal will be with the 780
>(is that the right model #) mobile. And while I would be surprised if

OK....OK....OK....WHY does the 245 wait 4 and 1/2 seconds when in a trunked
bank??........so it can listen to the data channel and see if there is any
activity going on...it takes THAT long to identify an ongoing communication
because the data channel repeats the status of all channels and
talkgroups continuously...get the picture???....The PRO92 doesn't have this
feature because it DOES NOT monitor the data channel, it looks for a channel
with a signal on it and then uses the "digital tone burst" or bleep at the
beginning/end of the transmission to find the next channel....so it doesn't
wait 4.5 seconds as the 245 does on the trunked bank.......have we got it all
understood now????...Good...Now the important part that should really be
addressed is that Uniden STILL after all these years has not gone to
replaceable "AA" batteries.  That would be an order of magnitude improvement
over ANYthing the've built so far.......there I said my
piece..........everyone have a very happy Thanksgiving.....bye.....

Energizer

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>it was any time soon, I would think that Uniden would eventually want
>to do a handheld with alpha-tags and trunking (a marriage of the
>SC-200 and BC245).

>I wish it was an easy decision... Even $315 (with 10% discount coupon)
>is a lot for the Pro 92 (and there's no AC adapter or batteries
>included)...

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Post by John » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hi,

Well, It's not exactly difficult to build a drop in AA battery holder
that will fit the 245 out of some card or plastic sheet, tape, copper
strips, wire, two *** bands and a plug salvaged from an old cordless
phone battery. I've done it and it works just fine. No modifications to
the scanner are needed :-o))

I agree, the 5 second pause IS a pain, but not as much a pain as not
trunk tracking Motorola properly on a busy system with dropped
conversations and inaccurate IDs. The below compares the '92 and '245
tracking one such system. The results speak for themselves (and thanks
to scannerdude for the effort)

JohnC.
-----COPY of Original Message -----


Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 5:19 PM
Subject: [TrunkCom] PRO-92 vs 245xlt on Broward County's TRS

Quote:> System: Broward County, FL Police, Fire, and Public Works TRS
> Type: Motorola Type 2 SmartNet 5-site simulcast
> Channels in system: 23

> Talkgroups scanned:
> 8208 - BCFR North
> 8368 - BCFR North "Echo" Car-to-Car
> 8272 - BCFR South
> 8432 - BCFR South "Echo" Car-to-Car
> 9232 - BCFR West
> 9200 - BCFR West
> 8496 - BCFR TAC A
> 8528 - BCFR TAC B
> 8560 - BCFR TAC C
> 4400 - BSO District 9, 10, 22, 26 Dispatch
> 6704 - BSO INDIA
> 12400 - Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport Operations
> 4592 - BSO at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport

> The tests were conducted in my home in Coconut Creek.  Both scanners
were
> placed on a shelf 4' from the ground next to each other, both running
on
> battrery power.  Before these tests the PRO-92 was reset with a
paperclip
> and initialized by pressing 0,1 when the "Welcome to Multi-System
> Trunking" appears, then Broward's 23 channels were programmed in.  The
> PRO-92 was using its stock antenna, the 245xlt was using an Icom
FA-1443B
> dual-band ham antenna (they were switched for test 3).  A
"transmission"
> is from key-up to key-down of the transmitter.  I tested them based on
> each transmission since a call can start on one transmission, end, and
go
> to another frequency for the reply.

> TEST 1 - 10:15am to 11:45am.  Scan the above listed talkgroups on both
> scanners, note the number of times transmissions were missed
altogether,
> missed the beginning (or a large portion of the transmission), right
on
> between the two, had different ID's between the two, and the number of
> dropped transmissions.  On the PRO-92, the control channel of the
system
> was NOT locked out (it does not have to be in closed mode), and the
> scanner was placed into "closed" mode to scan the above listed ID's.

> RESULTS of TEST 1 - Out of 163 transmissions logged, the PRO-92:
> - 33 missed altogether
> - 60 missed beginning or large portion of transmission
> - 27 were right on with the 245xlt
> - 19 transmissions were different between the two scanners
> - 16 transmissions were dropped
> - 1 non-scanlist ID's appeared

> On the 245xlt:
> - 7 transmissions were missed that the PRO-92 received
> - No dropouts occurred

> TEST 2 - 10:45am to 11:15am.  Same as TEST 1 but locked out control
> channel to see if the time it takes to check control channel for valid
> ID's slows things down.

> RESULTS of TEST 2 - Out of 144 transmissions, the PRO-92:
> - 19 were missed altogether
> - 54 missed beginning or large portion of transmission
> - 30 were right on with the 245xlt
> - 20 transmissions were different between the two scanners
> - 17 transmissions were dropped
> - 2 non-scanlist ID's appeared

> On the 245xlt:
> - 2 transmissions were missed that the PRO-92 received
> - No dropouts occurred

> TEST 3 - 11:15am to 11:30am.  Same as TEST 2 but swapped antennas
between
> scanners.  Did not note number of transmissions but had same problem
of
> ID's dropping out in the middle of conversations.  Also no change in
> parts or all of conversations being missed.

> TEST 4 - 11:30am to 11:45am.  Same as TEST 3 but connected PRO-92 to
> outside antenna.  Reception improved dramatically, ID's did not drop
out.
>  No change in parts or all of conversations being missed.

> TEST 5 - 11:45am.  Test of ID Hold function.  Put ID 6704 on hold in
both
> 245xlt and PRO-92.  Out of 40 transmissions, the 245xlt received every
> one.  The PRO-92:
> - 9 were missed altogether
> - 26 missed beginning or large portion of transmission
> - 5 were right on with the 245xlt

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Quote:>>Now the important part that should really be
>>addressed is that Uniden STILL after all these years has not gone to
>>replaceable "AA" batteries.  That would be an order of magnitude
improvement
>>over ANYthing the've built so far.......there I said my
>>piece..........everyone have a very happy Thanksgiving.....bye.....
>>Energizer