Thinking about the BC250D

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Burr » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:32:09

Talk to me!

    Where can I get the best price?

    What is the best software?

    Do I need the APCO 25 card? And if so what does it do?

    Anybody running this unit yet?

Burr
Pomona, Ca. 91766
Sony AN-1
    N 34-0261
    W 117-4387

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Chri » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:55:56


Hi Burr. I can answer some of your questions for you. I recently purchased
the BC250D + the digital card. Got mine at Advanced Specialties on the web
for $671.00, both shipped. That seemed to be the best deal I found out of
about 5 different dealers. Not sure if thats still the case, now that its
been a few weeks ago.

You will need the digital (Apco 25) card if you plan on monitoring any Apco
25 digital systems in your area (the scanner will trunktrack conventional
analog systems without the card). Without it, you will only hear data buzz
on the frequencies that are active. One concern that you will have with this
scanner, will be knowing weather or not the system(s) you want to monitor,
use a 3600 baud control channel or a 9600 baud control channel. The BC250D
WILL NOT trunktrack a 9600 baud cc. You can still listen to that kind of
system the conventional scanning method, just no trunktracking. Another
concern is if anything on those system(s) are encrypted. This scanner WILL
NOT decode encrypted transmissions.

So far, I am quite pleased with the scanner. The battery pack goes fast, so
having a second or third on hand might be in order.

Good Luck,

Chris


Quote:> Talk to me!

>     Where can I get the best price?

>     What is the best software?

>     Do I need the APCO 25 card? And if so what does it do?

>     Anybody running this unit yet?

> Burr
> Pomona, Ca. 91766
> Sony AN-1
>     N 34-0261
>     W 117-4387

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Jon Van Alle » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:01:51

$617 shipped from The Hobby Radio Stop.

Jon


> Hi Burr. I can answer some of your questions for you. I recently purchased
> the BC250D + the digital card. Got mine at Advanced Specialties on the web
> for $671.00, both shipped. That seemed to be the best deal I found out of
> about 5 different dealers. Not sure if thats still the case, now that its
> been a few weeks ago.

> You will need the digital (Apco 25) card if you plan on monitoring any
Apco
> 25 digital systems in your area (the scanner will trunktrack conventional
> analog systems without the card). Without it, you will only hear data buzz
> on the frequencies that are active. One concern that you will have with
this
> scanner, will be knowing weather or not the system(s) you want to monitor,
> use a 3600 baud control channel or a 9600 baud control channel. The BC250D
> WILL NOT trunktrack a 9600 baud cc. You can still listen to that kind of
> system the conventional scanning method, just no trunktracking. Another
> concern is if anything on those system(s) are encrypted. This scanner WILL
> NOT decode encrypted transmissions.

> So far, I am quite pleased with the scanner. The battery pack goes fast,
so
> having a second or third on hand might be in order.

> Good Luck,

> Chris



> > Talk to me!

> >     Where can I get the best price?

> >     What is the best software?

> >     Do I need the APCO 25 card? And if so what does it do?

> >     Anybody running this unit yet?

> > Burr
> > Pomona, Ca. 91766
> > Sony AN-1
> >     N 34-0261
> >     W 117-4387

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Dave H. KC5MT » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:53:10


>Talk to me!

>    Where can I get the best price?

>    What is the best software?

>    Do I need the APCO 25 card? And if so what does it do?

>    Anybody running this unit yet?

Hey Burr! I had just asked about the same thing and didn't even see your post. I too
am interested in the 250D (complete with BCi25D digital card of course :)
If you get one, please let me know how it is. Thanx!

DH

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like this, he doesn't DESERVE *** like this."  -AH1-

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Dave H. KC5MT » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:09:07


>You will need the digital (Apco 25) card if you plan on monitoring any Apco
>25 digital systems in your area (the scanner will trunktrack conventional
>analog systems without the card). Without it, you will only hear data buzz
>on the frequencies that are active. One concern that you will have with this
>scanner, will be knowing weather or not the system(s) you want to monitor,
>use a 3600 baud control channel or a 9600 baud control channel. The BC250D
>WILL NOT trunktrack a 9600 baud cc.

Hey Chris, I'm not sure, but I think what might be really exciting is that Uniden
will more than likely continue to release upgrades for the digital card. Eventually
(hopefully) they will sell a card capable of tracking a 9600 baud cc too.  Like a
computer, it will at least be nice to have a scanner that you can just plug different
cards into and get it to do even more things!

About the encryption thing, you are definitely right about that. I'm not too sure how
it all works. Are there any services using encryption currently? I was wondering
about the legal aspects of it. From what I've read, I understand the government is
pushing real hard NOT to allow for encryption for general purposes or private parties
(unless it is them, of course).

DH
_________________________________________________________
"As you walk into the establishment, you see her. She's perfect;
your ideal woman with the body and face of an angel, and with a
sole purpose: to thus be your *** conquest if but for the passing
of a moon. And to that man who isn't willing to take RISKS for ***
like this, he doesn't DESERVE *** like this."  -AH1-

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Burr » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:14:08

Thanks Chris.


>Hi Burr. I can answer some of your questions for you. I recently purchased
>the BC250D + the digital card. Got mine at Advanced Specialties on the web
>for $671.00, both shipped. That seemed to be the best deal I found out of
>about 5 different dealers. Not sure if thats still the case, now that its
>been a few weeks ago.

>You will need the digital (Apco 25) card if you plan on monitoring any Apco
>25 digital systems in your area (the scanner will trunktrack conventional
>analog systems without the card). Without it, you will only hear data buzz
>on the frequencies that are active. One concern that you will have with this
>scanner, will be knowing weather or not the system(s) you want to monitor,
>use a 3600 baud control channel or a 9600 baud control channel. The BC250D
>WILL NOT trunktrack a 9600 baud cc. You can still listen to that kind of
>system the conventional scanning method, just no trunktracking. Another
>concern is if anything on those system(s) are encrypted. This scanner WILL
>NOT decode encrypted transmissions.

>So far, I am quite pleased with the scanner. The battery pack goes fast, so
>having a second or third on hand might be in order.

>Good Luck,

>Chris



>>Talk to me!

>>    Where can I get the best price?

>>    What is the best software?

>>    Do I need the APCO 25 card? And if so what does it do?

>>    Anybody running this unit yet?

>>Burr
>>Pomona, Ca. 91766
>>Sony AN-1
>>    N 34-0261
>>    W 117-4387

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Ga.. » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:45:03



Quote:

>Hey Chris, I'm not sure, but I think what might be really exciting is that Uniden
>will more than likely continue to release upgrades for the digital card. Eventually
>(hopefully) they will sell a card capable of tracking a 9600 baud cc too.  Like a
>computer, it will at least be nice to have a scanner that you can just plug different
>cards into and get it to do even more things!

Unfortunately, the trunk tracking firmware is built into the scanner,
not the card. All that the card does is decode APCO P-25 digital
signals. The card has nothing to do with the trunk tracking feature at
all. 9600 baud trunking will require either a new scanner, or less
likely, a hardware/firmware upgrade.

Quote:

>About the encryption thing, you are definitely right about that. I'm not too sure how
>it all works. Are there any services using encryption currently? I was wondering
>about the legal aspects of it. From what I've read, I understand the government is
>pushing real hard NOT to allow for encryption for general purposes or private parties
>(unless it is them, of course).

Decoding any type of encryption is illegal. And yes, there are some
systems using encryption.

Gary

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Burr » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:20:43

I don't think I'll put that much money into one. I am thinking I'll just
get another BC895 and leave it down here so I can use it when I al down
here. "$200"
 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Chri » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:01:18

Hi Dave. I am sure you are correct about the future upgrades for the digi
cards. Like any other piece of electronics, the initial offering has is
shortcomings that need to be fixed/upgraded. I knew that when I bought it,
but I was getting tired of not being able to listen to 80% of the public
safety goings on in my area !!

As for encryption, each department manages its system differently. Any of
them have the right to utilize total encryption. However,  I truly believe
that the only talkgroups that might be encrypted, would be sensitive
surveillance, narcotics operations, SWAT, and the like. The day-to-day
police, fire and EMS transmissions should be in the clear. I'm sure there
are exceptions, but its not the rule (???).

Chris

Quote:

> Hey Chris, I'm not sure, but I think what might be really exciting is that
Uniden
> will more than likely continue to release upgrades for the digital card.
Eventually
> (hopefully) they will sell a card capable of tracking a 9600 baud cc too.
Like a
> computer, it will at least be nice to have a scanner that you can just
plug different
> cards into and get it to do even more things!

> About the encryption thing, you are definitely right about that. I'm not
too sure how
> it all works. Are there any services using encryption currently? I was
wondering
> about the legal aspects of it. From what I've read, I understand the
government is
> pushing real hard NOT to allow for encryption for general purposes or
private parties
> (unless it is them, of course).

> DH

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Chri » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:03:49

Quote:

> The digital card has nothing to do with following the control channel.

Thanks for that info. I was wondering weather the scanner or the card would
have to be changed, in order to allow it to hear 9600 baud.

Chris

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by AH1 » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:05:16



Quote:>>Hey Chris, I'm not sure, but I think what might be really exciting is that Uniden
>>will more than likely continue to release upgrades for the digital card. Eventually
>>(hopefully) they will sell a card capable of tracking a 9600 baud cc too.  

>The digital card has nothing to do with following the control channel.

Guess I was wrong about that. Oh well, it would have been a nice thought anyway
:)
 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by AH1 » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:27:41


>Hi Dave. I am sure you are correct about the future upgrades for the digi
>cards. Like any other piece of electronics, the initial offering has is
>shortcomings that need to be fixed/upgraded. I knew that when I bought it,
>but I was getting tired of not being able to listen to 80% of the public
>safety goings on in my area !!

Hey Chris. Do you mind if I ask the general area in which you live? I'm in the
SW Florida area. As of yet, the systems around here are still mostly analog, the
operative word being 'YET.' But I know that everything will soon be digital.
Seems to be the next logical evolution of radio. Even car radio receivers will
soon all be digital I'm sure. But I don't want to wait around for everything to
GET digital before I have a scanner capable of receiving it.

Quote:

>As for encryption, each department manages its system differently. Any of
>them have the right to utilize total encryption. However,  I truly believe
>that the only talkgroups that might be encrypted, would be sensitive
>surveillance, narcotics operations, SWAT, and the like. The day-to-day
>police, fire and EMS transmissions should be in the clear. I'm sure there
>are exceptions, but its not the rule (???).

That sounds reasonable to me. But it seems like the temptation would be strong.
After all, if encryption is available and relatively inexpensive, even for the
most trivial of organizations utilizing radio, then why not?

Ok, on to the part that no one wants to talk about; the 800 cell band. We all
know that no one here listens to the 800 cell band because it's illegal and we
just don't do it. But for TEST purposes, one of us may need to check or analyze
our own cellular phone for malfunctions and proper operation. Both my AOR and
Pro-37 will receive analog cell (but I keep it blocked since you're not suppose
to receive that). But does the digital cell network use the APCO-25 digital
system? In other words if I wanted to check my OWN digital phone for proper
operation, will I be able to receive it with the BC250D?

DH

 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by nos.. » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:13:51



Quote:>By the time Uniden has a scanner that follows the 9600 baud control channel,
>it will probably do other amazing things, like include the 700mhz band,
>and 6.25khz channel spacing.

I know. It's like Uniden goes through all the trouble to make a great digital
scanner. Then, like Radio Shack, they design their scanners around 'frequency
ranges' rather than just making it continuous all the way from its lowest to
highest frequency (excluding cellular). And as far as step increments and fine
tuning, forget it. If only AOR had designed the 8200MkIII with trunking and
digital, it would be THE ULTIMATE scanner, hands down.
 
 
 

Thinking about the BC250D

Post by Chri » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:54:48

Dave...

I live in the metro Detroit Michigan area. There are 3 digital systems
around me that i'm interested in listening to: Western Wayne County
consortium (which includes my police dept.), Downriver Mutual Aid (large
area of police, fire, etc.) and Michigan State Police. That was my driving
force to spend nearly $700.00 on that scanner.

As for listening to digital cell with the 250D...the answer is no. Those are
different systems such as IDEN technology, that the Apco 25 card will not
decode.

Chris