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I got kicked out of Universal Studios for scaning in on there freq's Can they
do this??, what are your rights as a scanner??

Ian

->I got kicked out of Universal Studios for scaning in on there freq's Can they
->do this??

Umm... apparently they can, Phreex.

Quote:> If you had been in your car off of their lot then that is
>another story, or even in your home.  But inside their studios would
>not be a good place to be scanning for freq's that they use.

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: I got kicked out of Universal Studios for scaning in on there freq's Can they
: do this??, what are your rights as a scanner??

Sure they *can*. It's private property... Many of the "theme parks" have
rules regarding scanning that can easily be curcumvented by user descretion.
When I've asked about the policy I've been told several "lines" that vary
from concern for park security to fears that some of the parks "sensitive
equipment" might be affected by spurious emissions from the local
oscillators. Quite a stretch in either case...

I've been told that if I wanted to scan I should do it from outside the
park and if that was the option that I chose the park would gladly refund
my entrance fee. I've also been told just to put the scanner away and not
be obvious about using it - like inside a camera case...

In short, if an airline can restrict scanner use onboard its "property" (ie
the airplane) why is it hard to see why another business can restrict the
use???? There's certainly no "constitutional right" to operate a scanner...

It's a stupid policy but there's plenty of those that we could talk about!
Just use an earphone next time...

Ken

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What were you doing to get caught???
running to a security call, or interfereing with operations, walking
around with a scanner in plain view.
Heck you need a light jacket or oversize shirt for concealment, and learn
not to make yourself so obvious.

** I got kicked out of Universal Studios for scaning in on there freq's
Can they
** do this??, what are your rights as a scanner??

I am not an attorney, but my understanding is this:

On private property, the owner or agents may remove you if they please for
whatever reason.  In this instance they may be obligated to return your
admission fee, unless you violated a posted rule.

If they have no posted rule against scanning, then they would probably be
liable to refund your admission.  If you wish to contact an attorney that
practices law in CA (or FL, depending on which park you were at), they
would be able to tell you for sure.

Private security guards may not enforce state, federal or local laws
unless they or their employer is the victim of your transgression.
Another exception may be if they are sworn by a law enforcement agency.
Therefore, Universal Security may not enforce a scanner law (if one
exists) unless they can show that they were victimized by it, and it
caused harm.

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I work security for Sears, and we do not have arrest powers, but we do
have detain powers. So, with shoplifters, we don't actually arrest them,
we merely apprehend them and hold them until the police can arrest them.
So, with the security guards at Universal Studios, if there is a law
against scanning wherever you are at, they could have detained you for the
police. By the way, how did they know you were scanning? Please tell me
you didn't go walking into there holding your scanner in your hand, out in
the open! They probably thought you were a terrorist or otherwise planning
to do something destructive. They don't understand that scanners just
"receive" and do not transmit. Actually, I bet someone else there reported
you as being suspicious.

Quote:(ToledoMUG) writes:
>I work security for Sears, and we do not have arrest powers, but we do
>have detain powers. So, with shoplifters, we don't actually arrest them,
>we merely apprehend them and hold them until the police can arrest them.
>So, with the security guards at Universal Studios, if there is a law
>against scanning wherever you are at, they could have detained you for
the
>police. By the way, how did they know you were scanning? Please tell me
>you didn't go walking into there holding your scanner in your hand, out
in
>the open! They probably thought you were a terrorist or otherwise
planning
>to do something destructive. They don't understand that scanners just
>"receive" and do not transmit. Actually, I bet someone else there
reported
>you as being suspicious.

I can go into a fine restaurant, talk loudly and make rude gestures, and
be asked to  leave, even though I have committed no crime.

: I got kicked out of Universal Studios for scaning in on there freq's Can they
: do this??, what are your rights as a scanner??

        This is an outrage.  I would be totally upset had it been me. This
is a perfect example of fearing something that you do not understand.  Too
often organizations don't understand technology, and tend to lash out the
second they feel 'something suspicious' is going on.  The government/police
is the same way.  Take action first, ask questions later.

        Yes, I understand private property is private property.  Rules must
be posted.  I highly doubt there was any 'no scanning' signs posted. I
could understand management questioning a person as to what they are doing
and even asking a person to put it away/back in car/etc But removal from
a park is outrageous.

        It's a shame that we need to 'wear baggy shirts', and 'use a earpiece'
or 'wear a light jacket' while we conduct ourselves in a LEGAL M***AND
HARMLESS activity.  It's funny how security guards/police have time to
bother law-abiding citizens, but are 'limited by manpower' when it comes
to the war on ***.  Give me a break.

Keith

I don't think we've heard the whole story! Were you being disruptive:
listening to their operation while on a ride? Or possibly listening to
the Nickolodeon production frequencies? Our group was warned not to take
pictures of production or development stuff due to copyrights and
network secrecy. I was there on Friday May 17 and operated my IC 02AT
out in plain view of park employees and no one said anything to me.
Sorry you had bad experience.

Quote:>It's funny how security guards/police have time to
>bother law-abiding citizens, but are 'limited by manpower' when it comes
>to the war on ***.  Give me a break.

Rich

Quote: "If a 'narcodemocracy' means that the government is completely
corrupt, that the government is involved in ***, that the influence of
drug traffickers reaches the top levels of government, then the United
States is a 'narcodemocracy'."

       Michael Levine, decorated 25 year DEA veteran
       Author of "The Big White Lie: The CIA and the ***/Crack Epidemic"

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While I absolutly agree that scanning is a harmless diversion, and I have
made signifigant investments of time and money writing about scanning, the
biggest issue here is property rights.  If Universal, or other privately
owned place wants to ban scanners from the paying customers, they should
post an inclusive warning in a conspicuous spot.  If they want to ban
something like this (or photographic equipment etc) then they have the
right to.  They may well lose my business and that of other radio
hobbyists, but that is their problem.

The other issue is how they go about enforcing these rules, posted or
not.  There is no reason to harrass someone for lawful activity that he
was not aware violated any rules.  Too often security guards and police
mistakenly beleive that scanners are unlawful.  As a police officer
myself, I was considered weird for playing with radios on and off duty.
Now they are happy I do, since I handle all the technical details of our
radio system, and save my department a lot of money....

** :>: I got kicked out of Universal Studios for scaning in on there
freq's Can they
** :>: do this??, what are your rights as a scanner??
**
** I have been harassed at Air Shows, by half assed "security" people...
** Just because I had 3 radios and a frequency counter, and a notebook,
** Shouldn't make me any more suspicious than the family man with wife and
kids in
** tow..who have a scanner too, but haven't a clue what to do with it.
**
** There was a Supreme Court case a few years ago about shopping malls being
** considered "public places" when it comes to scanners. They ARE public and
** privacy of the security guards or anyone else using a transmitter, is not
** guaranteed any privacy.
**
** Whether or not Universal Studios likes it or not, is a moot point now..I hope
** you got your money back.
**
** Frequencies are public domain, no one "owns" a frequency. The only ones
we are
** not "supposed" to listen to are encrypted, cellular, or cordless
conversations.
**
** If  you get questioned as to "what are you doing" you had better be
prepared to
** tell them..and don't be intimidated.
**
** You can always file a 'false arrest' charge or harassment charges or
both..but
** that costs you money.
**
** People fear what they don't understand, if you have to educate them "on the
** spot" DO IT!
**
** A lot more good has than harm has been done by scanner owners.
**
** I have been in ***s with a frequency counter and not been "caught",
but they
** do have signs that state you must "check all electronic equipment at
the door".
** So it's me who's taking the risk..( you can hear just as much outside the
** building anyway).
**
** Good Luck
**
** stealth1

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Quote:Palmer) writes:
>>I can go into a fine restaurant, talk loudly and make rude gestures, and
>>be asked to  leave, even though I have committed no crime.

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