Is this what's called AMBULANCE CHASING?

Is this what's called AMBULANCE CHASING?

Post by Thomas M. Sommer » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00


> Ever since this business with Gingrich and that couple in Fort White
> intercepting his cellular conversation and then making it public, it seems
> everyone is coming crawling out of the woodwork and doing keyword searches
> on the net for scanner pages.  Evidently, I am not immune.  My own scanner
> pages also seem to be attracting my own fair share of odd sorts in the web
> world.

> Here's one in example that I got today, and I'd like some input on this...

> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:43:02 -0500
> From:  <removed>

> Subject: Scanner Monitoring

> My name is <name removed>.  I am a Public Insurance Adjuster
> licensed in the state of Florida.  I am looking for people who monitor
> scanners in your area.  I need to have timely information about
> structure fires and other property damages.  If you or someone you know
> would be interested in making some extra money, while enjoying their
> hobby, please E-mail me (<e-mail address removed>) or call <tel-no-removed>.
> This is a great opportunity for someone who is home bound.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> I particularly like the ending quip there.  "Home bound", eh?  "HOME
> BOUND???"  This is what the Gingrich thing has done for us all?  We're all
> just "home bound" bums, with nothing better to do?  I guess we should all
> just get a life.  We're all jerks and a**holes.  We're all just one step
> away from a life of crime anyway and, since we are, why not work for the
> rest of the criminals of the world, and make good money doing it.  Right?

> (Sorry.  I got off on a soapbox there.  SLAP me when I do that will yuh,
> guys?)

> But anyway...back to the question at hand:

> I tried a finger search and came back with a site-name in Deland, Fla., but
> the particular user remained unidentified by the search machine.  I tried
> calling the state insurance commission to ID the person and to ask the
> legality of the operation this person was pushing, and, they promptly
> put me on permanent hold (it's near the end of the day now and I guess
> everyone wants to go home).  When I hung up and tried calling back of course
> all lines were now "permanently busy."  So, I never did get to ask them
> whether it was legal or not.

> So now, I come to the net to ask you all...since the STate of FLorida is too
> much in a hurry to get home....

> Isn't what's being asked in the above request called "ambulance chasing?"
> Isn't that illegal???  Somebody explain this to me.  Is this NOT
> ambulance chasing?  What is it that this nut is wanting? and is he looking
> to get people in trouble?

> Where do these people come from?

> Todd Sherman/KB4MHH


It does not sound like ambulance chasing, per se. Ambulance chasers are
usually interested in bodily injury cases. This guy is talking about
property damage cases. Insurance companies often hire independent
adjusters to adjust losses. My guess is that this guy might want exactly
what he says: timely information about losses, either those insured by
his current clients, or possibly to drum up new business. Adjusters do
like to get to fires, etc., as quickly as possible, and are often there
before the fire is out. If you want to check him out, maybe talk to the
firemen and fire subcode officials near the guy's home base. If he is
legitimate, they should know him.
 
 
 

Is this what's called AMBULANCE CHASING?

Post by Todd L. Sherma » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Ever since this business with Gingrich and that couple in Fort White
intercepting his cellular conversation and then making it public, it seems
everyone is coming crawling out of the woodwork and doing keyword searches
on the net for scanner pages.  Evidently, I am not immune.  My own scanner
pages also seem to be attracting my own fair share of odd sorts in the web
world.

Here's one in example that I got today, and I'd like some input on this...

----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:43:02 -0500
From:  <removed>

Subject: Scanner Monitoring

My name is <name removed>.  I am a Public Insurance Adjuster
licensed in the state of Florida.  I am looking for people who monitor
scanners in your area.  I need to have timely information about
structure fires and other property damages.  If you or someone you know
would be interested in making some extra money, while enjoying their
hobby, please E-mail me (<e-mail address removed>) or call <tel-no-removed>.
This is a great opportunity for someone who is home bound.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I particularly like the ending quip there.  "Home bound", eh?  "HOME
BOUND???"  This is what the Gingrich thing has done for us all?  We're all
just "home bound" bums, with nothing better to do?  I guess we should all
just get a life.  We're all jerks and a**holes.  We're all just one step
away from a life of crime anyway and, since we are, why not work for the
rest of the criminals of the world, and make good money doing it.  Right?

(Sorry.  I got off on a soapbox there.  SLAP me when I do that will yuh,
guys?)

But anyway...back to the question at hand:

I tried a finger search and came back with a site-name in Deland, Fla., but
the particular user remained unidentified by the search machine.  I tried
calling the state insurance commission to ID the person and to ask the
legality of the operation this person was pushing, and, they promptly
put me on permanent hold (it's near the end of the day now and I guess
everyone wants to go home).  When I hung up and tried calling back of course
all lines were now "permanently busy."  So, I never did get to ask them
whether it was legal or not.

So now, I come to the net to ask you all...since the STate of FLorida is too
much in a hurry to get home....

Isn't what's being asked in the above request called "ambulance chasing?"
Isn't that illegal???  Somebody explain this to me.  Is this NOT
ambulance chasing?  What is it that this nut is wanting? and is he looking
to get people in trouble?

Where do these people come from?

Todd Sherman/KB4MHH

 
 
 

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Post by Bob » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00


> Ever since this business with Gingrich and that couple in Fort White
> intercepting his cellular conversation and then making it public, it seems
> everyone is coming crawling out of the woodwork and doing keyword searches
> on the net for scanner pages.  Evidently, I am not immune.  My own scanner
> pages also seem to be attracting my own fair share of odd sorts in the web
> world.

> Here's one in example that I got today, and I'd like some input on this...

> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:43:02 -0500
> From:  <removed>

> Subject: Scanner Monitoring

> My name is <name removed>.  I am a Public Insurance Adjuster
> licensed in the state of Florida.  I am looking for people who monitor
> scanners in your area.  I need to have timely information about
> structure fires and other property damages.  If you or someone you know
> would be interested in making some extra money, while enjoying their
> hobby, please E-mail me (<e-mail address removed>) or call <tel-no-removed>.
> This is a great opportunity for someone who is home bound.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> I particularly like the ending quip there.  "Home bound", eh?  "HOME
> BOUND???"  This is what the Gingrich thing has done for us all?  We're all
> just "home bound" bums, with nothing better to do?  I guess we should all
> just get a life.  We're all jerks and a**holes.  We're all just one step
> away from a life of crime anyway and, since we are, why not work for the
> rest of the criminals of the world, and make good money doing it.  Right?

> (Sorry.  I got off on a soapbox there.  SLAP me when I do that will yuh,
> guys?)

> But anyway...back to the question at hand:

> I tried a finger search and came back with a site-name in Deland, Fla., but
> the particular user remained unidentified by the search machine.  I tried
> calling the state insurance commission to ID the person and to ask the
> legality of the operation this person was pushing, and, they promptly
> put me on permanent hold (it's near the end of the day now and I guess
> everyone wants to go home).  When I hung up and tried calling back of course
> all lines were now "permanently busy."  So, I never did get to ask them
> whether it was legal or not.

> So now, I come to the net to ask you all...since the STate of FLorida is too
> much in a hurry to get home....

> Isn't what's being asked in the above request called "ambulance chasing?"
> Isn't that illegal???  Somebody explain this to me.  Is this NOT
> ambulance chasing?  What is it that this nut is wanting? and is he looking
> to get people in trouble?

> Where do these people come from?

> Todd Sherman/KB4MHH


I think you're right. I could be wrong, but isn't that what the
communications act of 1934 (as amended '84 '94 '96, etc) all about?
Listen all you want, but don't talk about what you hear. The media
ignores this, but I look at that (and the law probably does also)
differently. They're not really making anything off of listening, and
reporting, but this guy is trying to.
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Post by MN Mani » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:>My name is <name removed>.  I am a Public Insurance Adjuster
>licensed in the state of Florida.  I am looking for people who monitor
>scanners in your area.  I need to have timely information about
>structure fires and other property damages.  If you or someone you know
>would be interested in making some extra money, while enjoying their
>hobby, please E-mail me

What's his name and number?  I've got some extra time and could certainly
use the money

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 CB Radio KADF-6895 since September, 1976
 Amateur Radio KF4DDM since September, 1995
 Radio Personality since August, 1983
 Scanner Freak since portable radios with "Police Band" were high-tech
 Check out my SEVENTIES Web site at http://167.142.101.43/drew/

 
 
 

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Post by MN Mani » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:>Listen all you want, but don't talk about what you hear. The media
>ignores this, but I look at that (and the law probably does also)
>differently. They're not really making anything off of listening, and
>reporting

Huh?  Are you kidding?  Of course they're making something off it.  It's
their primary business!

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 CB Radio KADF-6895 since September, 1976
 Amateur Radio KF4DDM since September, 1995
 Radio Personality since August, 1983
 Scanner Freak since portable radios with "Police Band" were high-tech
 Check out my SEVENTIES Web site at http://167.142.101.43/drew/

 
 
 

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Post by Jake Brods » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00

It most definitely is, and this agent should be told he is breaking
the law.  If I were a member of his professional organization, I'd
start proceedings to throw him out.  

On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:14:43 -0500, "Todd L. Sherman"


>Ever since this business with Gingrich and that couple in Fort White
>intercepting his cellular conversation and then making it public, it seems
>everyone is coming crawling out of the woodwork and doing keyword searches
>on the net for scanner pages.  Evidently, I am not immune.  My own scanner
>pages also seem to be attracting my own fair share of odd sorts in the web
>world.

>Here's one in example that I got today, and I'd like some input on this...

>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:43:02 -0500
>From:  <removed>

>Subject: Scanner Monitoring

>My name is <name removed>.  I am a Public Insurance Adjuster
>licensed in the state of Florida.  I am looking for people who monitor
>scanners in your area.  I need to have timely information about
>structure fires and other property damages.  If you or someone you know
>would be interested in making some extra money, while enjoying their
>hobby, please E-mail me (<e-mail address removed>) or call <tel-no-removed>.
>This is a great opportunity for someone who is home bound.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------

>I particularly like the ending quip there.  "Home bound", eh?  "HOME
>BOUND???"  This is what the Gingrich thing has done for us all?  We're all
>just "home bound" bums, with nothing better to do?  I guess we should all
>just get a life.  We're all jerks and a**holes.  We're all just one step
>away from a life of crime anyway and, since we are, why not work for the
>rest of the criminals of the world, and make good money doing it.  Right?

>(Sorry.  I got off on a soapbox there.  SLAP me when I do that will yuh,
>guys?)

>But anyway...back to the question at hand:

>I tried a finger search and came back with a site-name in Deland, Fla., but
>the particular user remained unidentified by the search machine.  I tried
>calling the state insurance commission to ID the person and to ask the
>legality of the operation this person was pushing, and, they promptly
>put me on permanent hold (it's near the end of the day now and I guess
>everyone wants to go home).  When I hung up and tried calling back of course
>all lines were now "permanently busy."  So, I never did get to ask them
>whether it was legal or not.

>So now, I come to the net to ask you all...since the STate of FLorida is too
>much in a hurry to get home....

>Isn't what's being asked in the above request called "ambulance chasing?"
>Isn't that illegal???  Somebody explain this to me.  Is this NOT
>ambulance chasing?  What is it that this nut is wanting? and is he looking
>to get people in trouble?

>Where do these people come from?

>Todd Sherman/KB4MHH



"Nearly fifty percent of all graduates came from the bottom half of the class."
 
 
 

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Post by Raymond Mak » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00



Quote:>It most definitely is, and this agent should be told he is breaking
>the law.  If I were a member of his professional organization, I'd
>start proceedings to throw him out.  

Over the last 10 years there have been 2 or 3 fires in my neighborhood
and the same public insurance adjuster always shows up trying to
locate the "victims" so that he may try to sell his services.  Once he
even asked to use my phone to call his office. (At that time there was
no close cellular cells.  Assume he has "upgraded" to a cell phone.)
He obviously had someone at a home base somewhere who monitored the
local fire frequency for "leads".

I always viewed the guy as an ambulance chaser.  If a lawyer did what
he did, the lawyer would be subject to disciplinary action.  However,
he did provide a service in that he at least made the homeowner aware
that persons are out there to help them get a better settlement.  As a
lawyer, I can tell you that most people who sue over an insurance
claim probably would have never sued if the insurance company had only
treated them reasonably at the outset.

Raymond Makul

 
 
 

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Post by BAYCITVIDG » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00


writes:

Quote:

>>My name is <name removed>.  I am a Public Insurance Adjuster
>>licensed in the state of Florida.  I am looking for people who
monitor
>>scanners in your area.  I need to have timely information about
>>structure fires and other property damages.  If you or someone you
know
>>would be interested in making some extra money, while enjoying their
>>hobby, please E-mail me (<e-mail address removed>) or call
<tel-no-removed>.
>>This is a great opportunity for someone who is home bound.
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------

>>Isn't what's being asked in the above request called "ambulance
chasing?"
>>Isn't that illegal???  Somebody explain this to me.  Is this NOT
>>ambulance chasing?  What is it that this nut is wanting? and is he
looking
>>to get people in trouble?

>>Where do these people come from?

>    How can this be illegal?  Adjusters need help in finding where

     fire are so they can offer their services.  Newspapers don't
     publish all fires which adjusters go for.  Therefore they go out
     and get help....

     who does this?  People who listen to scanners who do still photo
     breaking news or video breaking news.  I do both. I also listen
     for an adjuster and a board up company.  Perfectly legal.  

     What goes out on the airwaves is public property and usable as
     a source of income.  If I can use the scanners to get me to a new
     scene where I make money off of, then I can also pass those
locations along to any other agency who wants to utilize that info for
    their betterment.  

     People offer services listening to the scanners to people needing
     these services so they can make a living.  

     Why are people calling the insurance commission and stuff to
eventually get this guy reported and then booked and then jailed until
    some local oaf can find out if he is breaking some obscure law that
    needs to be voted upon next session ...

     Live and let live.  

     People who listen and report what they listen are hurting no one.
     This comes under the heading of victimless crime...which itself is
     ***.  don't push the river...it flows by itself.  

     bill

 
 
 

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Post by Todd L. Sherma » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:> > Where do these people come from?

>      How can this be illegal?  Adjusters need help in finding where
>      fire are so they can offer their services.  Newspapers don't
>      publish all fires which adjusters go for.  Therefore they go out
>      and get help....

>      who does this?  People who listen to scanners who do still photo
>      breaking news or video breaking news.  I do both. I also listen
>      for an adjuster and a board up company.  Perfectly legal.  

>      What goes out on the airwaves is public property and usable as
>      a source of income.  If I can use the scanners to get me to a new
>      scene where I make money off of, then I can also pass those
>      locations along to any other agency who wants to utilize that info
>      for their betterment.  

>      People offer services listening to the scanners to people needing
>      these services so they can make a living.  

>      Why are people calling the insurance commission and stuff to
> eventually get this guy reported and then booked and then jailed until
>     some local oaf can find out if he is breaking some obscure law that
>     needs to be voted upon next session ...

>      Live and let live.  

>      People who listen and report what they listen are hurting no one.
>      This comes under the heading of victimless crime...which itself is
>      ***.  don't push the river...it flows by itself.  

  The way I see it, if someone wants an insurance adjuster to come to thier
rescue, they don't need "help" to know they are there.  All they have to do
is pick up a phone book and dial.

  No, as I see it, it's ambulance chasing.  The only difference is, you're
not a lawyer -- you're an insurance adjuster doing the same thing.

  But then, some people think it's thier god-given right to send me junk
e-mail, too, by sneaking my name from a public list not intended for
business purposes.  Hey, I woulduh eventually got around to asking for thier
services sometime anyway, right?  So, I guess, why not go ahead and send me
the junk mail to remind me that they are there.  Right?

  I suppose you see ambulance chasing that way, too?

  If we want your services, we'll ask; we'll call.  Meantime, we're a little
stressed out right about the time our houses are burning down when you
arrive, eh?

  And if one of my family members died in that fire, and you get punched by
me...I don't want to hear it.

Todd Sherman/KB4MHH

 
 
 

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Post by Steve » Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:00:00


>     People offer services listening to the scanners to people needing
>     these services so they can make a living.  

In New England, and I'm sure elsewhere, we have "notification nets".
Usually found on GMRS or other business bands. They are very organized
and many professionals (fire, news, insurance etc) personal subscribe
to their services. I assume this must be legal.

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by BAYCITVIDG » Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:00:00



>>     People offer services listening to the scanners to people
needing
>>     these services so they can make a living.  

>In New England, and I'm sure elsewhere, we have "notification nets".
>Usually found on GMRS or other business bands. They are very organized
>and many professionals (fire, news, insurance etc) personal subscribe
>to their services. I assume this must be legal.

>Steve

>   Yes, you assume right.  

    It's not illegal to use what is heard to offer a follow-up service.
    It's for public to hear.  

    bill

 
 
 

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Post by Mar » Sat, 01 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:>    It's not illegal to use what is heard to offer a follow-up service.
>    It's for public to hear.  

>    bill

Do you mean those laws against divulging what you've heard to a non
participant of the transmission mean nothing? or those laws banning
using what you've heard for personal gain are really just an advisory?
how about the ECPA act of 1986, totally meaningless??

Methinks you should keep quiet about you transgressions, blabbing
about it on an open newsgroup is not the smartest thing you could do!

 
 
 

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Post by BAYCITVIDG » Sat, 01 Feb 1997 04:00:00



>>    It's not illegal to use what is heard to offer a follow-up
service.
>>    It's for public to hear.  

>>    bill

>Do you mean those laws against divulging what you've heard to a non
>participant of the transmission mean nothing? or those laws banning
>using what you've heard for personal gain are really just an advisory?
>how about the ECPA act of 1986, totally meaningless??

>Methinks you should keep quiet about you transgressions, blabbing
>about it on an open newsgroup is not the smartest thing you could do!

   hey oink brain:

   Newspapers and tv stations have banks and banks of scanners
   How in the hell do you think they get to the news scenes they
   decide are worth getting a news story about?  

   What ***in' country you live in ?  Not the USA.

   Or what outhouse community u live?

   Keep quiet about what?  News...events going on that are seeable
   by any and all who are at the scene.... give your brain a rest
   and stand up....air it out.

   gee, think of all those scanners being sold in all states and
   to all who want them....have you an aneurism on one of your
   trophy 'FARTS?'

   What am I supposed to be fearul of?  the SS.  
   the FBI, the cia or the local chapter of "yahoo's anonymous"

   I don't know where you are at with yourself, but i think you
   had best get a reality-grip on society at large.  Looking at
   all that grows in the outhouse has given you a major problem
   being understood.  

   Think of all the stuff the Cheeks guy has published.  I don't
    see him in any jail in the USA.  Maybe if he lived in England
    or china or vietnam or mexico or even Canada.  'but in the usa
    where "full access" to all information is a given "freedom to"

   Look at all the books out on scanning and how to listen to teh
    FEDS and the Counties adn the Mounties and the local football
    teams....get real.  Books and books and even microfiche about
    all those federal freq's listed....

    You really need a good grip on more than what you are holding
    in your left hand.

   bill conduit
   etc.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Capo » Mon, 03 Feb 1997 04:00:00

:> Where do these people come from?
:>
:> Todd Sherman/KB4MHH

:
:It does not sound like ambulance chasing, per se. Ambulance chasers are
:usually interested in bodily injury cases. This guy is talking about
:property damage cases. Insurance companies often hire independent
:adjusters to adjust losses. My guess is that this guy might want exactly
:what he says: timely information about losses, either those insured by
:his current clients, or possibly to drum up new business. Adjusters do
:like to get to fires, etc., as quickly as possible, and are often there
:before the fire is out. If you want to check him out, maybe talk to the
:firemen and fire subcode officials near the guy's home base. If he is
:legitimate, they should know him.

Allright, then, he's a wrecking ball chaser then.

-Mike

 
 
 

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Post by WILLIAM W MUNS » Mon, 10 Feb 1997 04:00:00

It is illegal to profit in any way from what you hear on scanners.
Period.
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