TH-F7 or VX-5R?

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Ben » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:44:41

Hi All

I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon. I
want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I expect
to use repeaters often.

I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the Kenwood TH-F7
or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446? I
understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong on the
VX-5R?

2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
preferably that could be used with PMR446?

3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two models
at the same power in the same conditions?

4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have a
licence)?

5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who has
both.

I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems that the
VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility with
PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

Thanks in advance

Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Jim Nicholso » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:54:35



Quote:> Hi All

> I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon. I
> want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
expect
> to use repeaters often.

[snip questions about modifying handhelds]

A foundation licence only allows you to use unmodified commercial kit, so
the answer to your questions is:

"It doesn't matter, you can't use it with your licence".

Jim

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Nick » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:08:41

Doesn't a Foundation Licence only allow UK use ?

Nick


Quote:> Hi All

> I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon. I
> want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
expect
> to use repeaters often.

> I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the Kenwood
TH-F7
> or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446? I
> understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong on the
> VX-5R?

> 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
> preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two models
> at the same power in the same conditions?

> 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have a
> licence)?

> 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who has
> both.

> I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems that
the
> VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility with
> PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> Thanks in advance

> Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Ben » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:23:12

I intend to continue from the Foundation licence, but would like to have the
units modified at the time of purchase anyhow. These questions are really
hypothetical at this stage but I'd still like some answers if anyone can
help.

Cheers

Ben


Quote:> Hi All

> I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon. I
> want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
expect
> to use repeaters often.

> I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the Kenwood
TH-F7
> or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446? I
> understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong on the
> VX-5R?

> 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
> preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two models
> at the same power in the same conditions?

> 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have a
> licence)?

> 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who has
> both.

> I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems that
the
> VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility with
> PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> Thanks in advance

> Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by John » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:37:47

It will make no difference if you purchase a modified set, your licence
still wont allow use on frequencies other than Amateur.


> I intend to continue from the Foundation licence, but would like to have
the
> units modified at the time of purchase anyhow. These questions are really
> hypothetical at this stage but I'd still like some answers if anyone can
> help.

> Cheers

> Ben



> > Hi All

> > I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon. I
> > want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
> expect
> > to use repeaters often.

> > I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the Kenwood
> TH-F7
> > or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> > 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446? I
> > understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong on
the
> > VX-5R?

> > 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
> > preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> > 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two
models
> > at the same power in the same conditions?

> > 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have a
> > licence)?

> > 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> > 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who has
> > both.

> > I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems that
> the
> > VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility with
> > PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> > Thanks in advance

> > Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by rich a » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:14:05

I think I detect an "attitude" of: "Licence? I don't need no stinkin
licence"


> It will make no difference if you purchase a modified set, your
licence
> still wont allow use on frequencies other than Amateur.



> > I intend to continue from the Foundation licence, but would like to
have
> the
> > units modified at the time of purchase anyhow. These questions are
really
> > hypothetical at this stage but I'd still like some answers if anyone
can
> > help.

> > Cheers

> > Ben



> > > Hi All

> > > I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence
soon. I
> > > want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland.
I
> > expect
> > > to use repeaters often.

> > > I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the
Kenwood
> > TH-F7
> > > or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> > > 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with
PMR446? I
> > > understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong
on
> the
> > > VX-5R?

> > > 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to
consider -
> > > preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> > > 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the
two
> models
> > > at the same power in the same conditions?

> > > 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I
have a
> > > licence)?

> > > 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> > > 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody
who has
> > > both.

> > > I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems
that
> > the
> > > VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want

back-compatibility with

- Show quoted text -

Quote:> > > PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> > > Thanks in advance

> > > Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Ben » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:41:33

It's not me with that attitude! I have no intention of being illegal in any
way. It just want some straight answers to some simple questions - some of
which have nothing to do with licence restrictions.

Regards

Ben


> I think I detect an "attitude" of: "Licence? I don't need no stinkin
> licence"



> > It will make no difference if you purchase a modified set, your
> licence
> > still wont allow use on frequencies other than Amateur.



> > > I intend to continue from the Foundation licence, but would like to
> have
> > the
> > > units modified at the time of purchase anyhow. These questions are
> really
> > > hypothetical at this stage but I'd still like some answers if anyone
> can
> > > help.

> > > Cheers

> > > Ben



> > > > Hi All

> > > > I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence
> soon. I
> > > > want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland.
> I
> > > expect
> > > > to use repeaters often.

> > > > I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the
> Kenwood
> > > TH-F7
> > > > or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> > > > 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with
> PMR446? I
> > > > understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong
> on
> > the
> > > > VX-5R?

> > > > 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to
> consider -
> > > > preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> > > > 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the
> two
> > models
> > > > at the same power in the same conditions?

> > > > 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I
> have a
> > > > licence)?

> > > > 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> > > > 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody
> who has
> > > > both.

> > > > I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems
> that
> > > the
> > > > VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want
> back-compatibility with
> > > > PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Al Bolto » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:02:38

Hi Ben,

I own both sets and they are both good in their own ways, but I think I just
prefer the Kenwood.

Both sets suffer from intermodulation (especially on 2m from Pagers) but the
Kenwood has a switchable attenuator which helps quite a lot. The VX-5
short-wave coverage is not great, only up to 16 MHz which is a drawback for
me. The Kenwood has wonderful coverage, 0.1 to 1300 MHz, with SSB available
up to 470 MHz, and it also has reasonable AM bandwidth-the VX-5 has much too
wide filters for use on the HF bands. The Kenwood also has a built in
ferrite bar aerial which improves low frequency reception-a bit!

I use 6m quite often with the VX-5. The standard *** duck is a poor
performer on 6m on the VX-5, although I can use it where I live but I use an
aftermarket Diamond SMA connector aerial which gives quite an improvement. I
miss having the extra band on the Kenwood-they should have made 6m available
to make up for the loss of 220 MHz from the European version.

Both have great battery life-but that's what you expect with Lithium
batteries. The Kenwood takes longer to charge though, but lasts the longest.

I had big problems with my first two VX-5s-eventually the dealer replaced
the faulty sets with a new "Silver" version (just a colour change). The
problem was poor CTCSS decode, which affected early models mostly, but some
of the new sets have it too. The Kenwood is free from any problems as far as
I can tell. I think the VX-5 is showing its age a bit by the way.

The Kenwood has have the necessary 6.25 kHz steps to allow you to use the
set to listen
on the 446 licence free band. The Yaesu doesn't have 6.25 kHz steps, so it's
not usable.
I haven't modded either of my sets as there's no point me doing so. Neither
set will work
on transmit on CB bands, though you can listen to them with the Kenwood.

Both sets produce 5 Watts, so there won't be any difference in range between
them. I find the standard Kenwood aerial a bit better than the Yaesu.

Accessories are, as usual, hugely expensive for both sets but it's possible
to get round this with generic equipment. Both sets will rapidly lose the
lettering on their buttons without a protective case by the way.

I'll probably be selling my VX-5 soon, as I need some cash towards a new
Kenwood TS-2000!

73.
Al Bolton, G4VSQ
http://www.redwaveradio.com/

====================================

Quote:> Hi All

> I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon. I
> want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
expect
> to use repeaters often.

> I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the Kenwood
TH-F7
> or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446? I
> understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong on the
> VX-5R?

> 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
> preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two models
> at the same power in the same conditions?

> 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have a
> licence)?

> 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who has
> both.

> I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems that
the
> VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility with
> PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> Thanks in advance

> Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by John » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:34:19


The Kenwood has have the necessary 6.25 kHz steps to allow you to use the
set to listen
on the 446 licence free band. The Yaesu doesn't have 6.25 kHz steps, so it's
not usable.

===========================================

The VX5 may not have 6.25kHz steps, but you most certainly can use it for
listening to PMR 446. My VX5 works flawlessly for receive on that band.

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Hugo » Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:40:53

What a ham spirit, nagging about what is legal ore not
The upcomming A-class licencee wants to have some info about equipment,
not a legal discussion.

Hugo



> It will make no difference if you purchase a modified set, your licence
> still wont allow use on frequencies other than Amateur.



> > I intend to continue from the Foundation licence, but would like to have
> the
> > units modified at the time of purchase anyhow. These questions are
really
> > hypothetical at this stage but I'd still like some answers if anyone can
> > help.

> > Cheers

> > Ben



> > > Hi All

> > > I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon.
I
> > > want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
> > expect
> > > to use repeaters often.

> > > I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the Kenwood
> > TH-F7
> > > or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> > > 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446? I
> > > understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong on
> the
> > > VX-5R?

> > > 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
> > > preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> > > 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two
> models
> > > at the same power in the same conditions?

> > > 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have a
> > > licence)?

> > > 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> > > 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who
has
> > > both.

> > > I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems
that
> > the
> > > VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility
with
> > > PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> > > Thanks in advance

> > > Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Ben » Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:34:00

Thanks for the support!


> What a ham spirit, nagging about what is legal ore not
> The upcomming A-class licencee wants to have some info about equipment,
> not a legal discussion.

> Hugo



> > It will make no difference if you purchase a modified set, your licence
> > still wont allow use on frequencies other than Amateur.



> > > I intend to continue from the Foundation licence, but would like to
have
> > the
> > > units modified at the time of purchase anyhow. These questions are
> really
> > > hypothetical at this stage but I'd still like some answers if anyone
can
> > > help.

> > > Cheers

> > > Ben



> > > > Hi All

> > > > I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence
soon.
> I
> > > > want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
> > > expect
> > > > to use repeaters often.

> > > > I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the
Kenwood
> > > TH-F7
> > > > or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> > > > 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446?
I
> > > > understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong
on
> > the
> > > > VX-5R?

> > > > 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
> > > > preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> > > > 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two
> > models
> > > > at the same power in the same conditions?

> > > > 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have
a
> > > > licence)?

> > > > 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> > > > 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who
> has
> > > > both.

> > > > I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems
> that
> > > the
> > > > VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility
> with
> > > > PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Ben » Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:34:34

Can you transmit on this band though?




> The Kenwood has have the necessary 6.25 kHz steps to allow you to use the
> set to listen
> on the 446 licence free band. The Yaesu doesn't have 6.25 kHz steps, so
it's
> not usable.

> ===========================================

> The VX5 may not have 6.25kHz steps, but you most certainly can use it for
> listening to PMR 446. My VX5 works flawlessly for receive on that band.

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by Ben » Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:37:38

Thank you for all the useful feedback. How long (roughly) does the TH-F7
take to charge and can you use it while it's charging?

I think you've sold me on the TH-F7, oh well there goes 260 (unless you
know anywhere cheaper in the UK!?)

Thanks

Ben


> Hi Ben,

> I own both sets and they are both good in their own ways, but I think I
just
> prefer the Kenwood.

> Both sets suffer from intermodulation (especially on 2m from Pagers) but
the
> Kenwood has a switchable attenuator which helps quite a lot. The VX-5
> short-wave coverage is not great, only up to 16 MHz which is a drawback
for
> me. The Kenwood has wonderful coverage, 0.1 to 1300 MHz, with SSB
available
> up to 470 MHz, and it also has reasonable AM bandwidth-the VX-5 has much
too
> wide filters for use on the HF bands. The Kenwood also has a built in
> ferrite bar aerial which improves low frequency reception-a bit!

> I use 6m quite often with the VX-5. The standard *** duck is a poor
> performer on 6m on the VX-5, although I can use it where I live but I use
an
> aftermarket Diamond SMA connector aerial which gives quite an improvement.
I
> miss having the extra band on the Kenwood-they should have made 6m
available
> to make up for the loss of 220 MHz from the European version.

> Both have great battery life-but that's what you expect with Lithium
> batteries. The Kenwood takes longer to charge though, but lasts the
longest.

> I had big problems with my first two VX-5s-eventually the dealer replaced
> the faulty sets with a new "Silver" version (just a colour change). The
> problem was poor CTCSS decode, which affected early models mostly, but
some
> of the new sets have it too. The Kenwood is free from any problems as far
as
> I can tell. I think the VX-5 is showing its age a bit by the way.

> The Kenwood has have the necessary 6.25 kHz steps to allow you to use the
> set to listen
> on the 446 licence free band. The Yaesu doesn't have 6.25 kHz steps, so
it's
> not usable.
> I haven't modded either of my sets as there's no point me doing so.
Neither
> set will work
> on transmit on CB bands, though you can listen to them with the Kenwood.

> Both sets produce 5 Watts, so there won't be any difference in range
between
> them. I find the standard Kenwood aerial a bit better than the Yaesu.

> Accessories are, as usual, hugely expensive for both sets but it's
possible
> to get round this with generic equipment. Both sets will rapidly lose the
> lettering on their buttons without a protective case by the way.

> I'll probably be selling my VX-5 soon, as I need some cash towards a new
> Kenwood TS-2000!

> 73.
> Al Bolton, G4VSQ
> http://www.redwaveradio.com/

> ====================================


> > Hi All

> > I'm new to amateur radio, and am obtaining my Foundation licence soon. I
> > want to start with a hand-held, for use in the UK and Switzerland. I
> expect
> > to use repeaters often.

> > I want a very small unit, and am trying to decide between the Kenwood
> TH-F7
> > or the Yeasu VX-5R. May I ask a few questions:

> > 1) Is it possible to modify the VX-5R to be compatible with PMR446? I
> > understand the Kenwood can be, but the frequency stepping is wrong on
the
> > VX-5R?

> > 2) Is there any other (5W or higher) compact hand-held to consider -
> > preferably that could be used with PMR446?

> > 3) Will the hand-held to hand-held range be similar between the two
models
> > at the same power in the same conditions?

> > 4) Can either be modified to transmit on the CB frequencies (I have a
> > licence)?

> > 5) Realistically how useful is the 6m band on the Yeasu?

> > 6) Any other comments on the two units, preferably from somebody who has
> > both.

> > I have read loads of online reviews so have a vague idea. It seems that
> the
> > VX-5R is generally better unit but I really want back-compatibility with
> > PMR446 (I am aware there are licence complications here)

> > Thanks in advance

> > Ben

 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by John » Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:44:14


Quote:> Can you transmit on this band though?

Why on earth would I want to transmit on that band with my VX5, contravening
the licence conditions isnt my game. I have a pair of Telcom 1000`s for that
band as and when needed.
 
 
 

TH-F7 or VX-5R?

Post by John P Vasse » Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:11:06





>> Can you transmit on this band though?

> Why on earth would I want to transmit on that band with my VX5,
> contravening the licence conditions isnt my game. I have a pair of
> Telcom 1000`s for that band as and when needed.

Perhaps what he meant was, if you were to accidently hit the ptt button
while tuned to this frequency, would it transmit? Knowing that could
prevent possible unintentional illegal transmissions.

--
John Vassel
KC8SKE
RTFD Volunteer Firefighter