This message just to inform the HAM society that FT-847, USA version, is
freely sold in territiry of Hong Kong just for $1450.
E mail for details .
This guy sounds like what we have been waiting for . I just bought a FT-847
for $1435 in Japan while on business. Yes, it was the USA Version. Also, it
is easy to modify the other versions to TX anywhere. However, do not buy the
Japanese 10 watt
version. I was at a Ham store last weekend and told a couple of buddies I
saw there about my purchase. They were jealous and said they wish they could
mail order it from the place I got mine but the that store refused to ship
to the USA.
Well, now you guys have you opportunity. Instead of paying $1820 You pay
$1440. Hmmm that is almost $400 in YOUR
POCKET..Not HRO or AES etc. Yes, you get some warranty in the unlikely event
it fails but you may have to ship it back oveseas and it isn't that much $$.
After the warranty any place will repair the radio if it breaks for $$.
Hey, both the radio you buy from HRO,AES etc are made overseas just like the
one from this Dealer in Hong Kong.
Why let the CROOKS at these ham stores take your hard earned $$.
I have not ordered from this Dealer so I can not comment on his business
practices but he appears upfront on his Email to my inquiry.about his
business. Lets send a message to the Overpriced USA Ham Stores!!!!!
73's Steve Hershman NS1R
> This message just to inform the HAM society that FT-847, USA version, is
> freely sold in territiry of Hong Kong just for $1450.
> E mail for details .
On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:46:40 -0700, steven hershman
I've been on both sides of the fence, as consumer and as a
jobber/wholesaler/retailer in both goods and services to both the
private and government sector. And I'm accused of being a crook on a
regular basis. But since most of my customers have NEVER audited my
books and since many of my customers have never worked in my fields,
they have NO CONCEPT of the realities of the costs of doing business.
Many of my clients have never had to purchase commercial insurance,
rent or lease an office, pay a corporate telephone bill (that exceeds
our rent!), file corporate papers for state and federal agencies, pay
for advertising, and the list goes on and on... They are engineers or
teachers or car mechanics. Someone else in their firm does this
stuff. They have NO CLUE.
The fact of the matter is that if I don't make a GPM of at least 20%,
I'm doing business at a loss. And the responsibility of a company
is to remain solvent and make a profit. If our company wants to make
any profit at all (for capital expenditures, dividendends, etc.) we
have to make more than 20% I've seen the president of our company
not take a paycheck sometimes, when we've had cashflow problems.
AES, HRO, Burqhardts, Texas Towers, et. al. have to cover their costs
of doing business, and operate a store front for walk-in customers.
This adds greatly to operating expenses and liabilities.
They are not CROOKS as you ascertain, they are people trying to make a
living and provide goods and services to people at a reasonable price.
Although I'm not an employee of any amateur radio store, I live quite
near HRO Phoenix. Not one of their employees shows up to work driving
a Porsche and wearing an Armani Suit.
These people are a lot like me, hardworking, and expecting to make a
decent wage that'll afford them a few luxuries, a stable retirement,
and perhaps some money to pay for the kids' college.
I've been accused of being a crook, but I drive a 5 year-old Geo and
live in a 1100 square foot condo in Glendale. My boss drives a 2-year
old Chevy and lives in a 1600 square foot condo. I don't see anyone
getting rich here. We aren't living in 3000 square foot Paradise
Valley Homes and driving to work in Bentleys.
In fact, if there had been no Ham Radio Store in Phoenix, I never
would've been personally exposed to all the great hardware, and
probably never become a ham. In fact, last week I spent 45 minutes in
HRO Phoenix, USING an FT-847 and directly comparing it to the ICOM
IC-746. You can't do that from some little black & white xerox from
an offshore dealer. You can't touch and hold that radio or look at
it's manual when it's sitting in a boxhouse 1500 miles away, now can
you? Why wait 2 weeks for a cable or HT case and paying $4.95 for
shipping, when I can get it today locally?
You can't contribute to a local economy when you buy all your big
ticket items from some other state or country directly. Sure, some
of the $$ goes overseas, but a big chunk of it stays with people in
the States if you buy it here. If you send you cash directly to Hong
Kong, not a penny goes into the local economy. And then you'll whine
when you HAVE to order your radio from Hong Kong.
And another thing. I've heard several HORROR stories from people when
they've ordered electronics or other goods overseas, from people who
billed them and then shipped no product at all, to seizures or 3 month
delays in customs, and to getting an inferior product that they didn't
I've seen state employees violating state purchasing laws to avoid
paying sales taxes or even because some big out-of-state company has a
toll-free number, even if they end up paying more in the long run.
I could go on for hours, you are wrong on so many levels, it boggles
the mind. Why not buy all your clothes from Hong Kong. Why not buy
your Japanese car in Guam and save even more money. That's great, you
save a few bucks and put your local economy in the dumper. Smart
thinking, foul your own nest.
I like it when Suckers like you pay more and suport the local economy while I
(SMART) save $400 and get the same EXACT
radio for less!! Both the radio I played with at the Ham store to make my
selection and the radio from HongKong are the USA
VERSION (You have to ask for it). Am I obligated to pay HRO,AES saleries. Why?
If I can buy Direct and CUT OUT THE
WASTE then why not. It is the American Way After all. Downsizing,Megers etc. The
Guys at the Ham stores/Distributers are
DEAD WOOD or FAT. They need to trimmed off. You guys can ridicule me all you
want but if you buy the FT-847 I would like to wave the $400 CASH I saved IN
73's Steven Hershman NS1R
> What a great idea!
> Can you also send me the name and addresses of stores in HK where they make
> and sell things like Nike, most sportswear clothing, cars, medical
> instrumentation, pirated CDs, golf clubs etc.?
> Why must we pay extra to buy stuff here made over there? We can just
> eliminate the middle-men - retail stores, wholesalers, importers etc. and
> save the big $. So what if our retail sales industry collapses, people get
> thrown out of work, our tax base erodes, welfare goes up and the balance of
> payments go down the toilet?
> We could even carry your idea to food! Why shop at a supermarket when we
> can buy direct from the farmer? [Can any one send me the name and address of
> some farmers who'll sell me piece units of wheat, beef, pork, chickens
> Mr. Hershman has demonstrated that his understanding of economics exceeds
> his knowledge of amateur radio!
> How does he do it?
> Well, now you guys have you opportunity. Instead of paying $1820 You pay
> $1440. Hmmm that is almost $400 in YOUR
> POCKET..Not HRO or AES etc. Yes, you get some warranty in the unlikely event
> it fails but you may have to ship it back oveseas
Now that is a great thought. Rather than dealing with a local dealer weQuote:> Why let the CROOKS at these ham stores take your hard earned $$.
> I have not ordered from this Dealer so I can not comment on his business
BTW -- those "crooks" are not; just doing business fairly in my mind.
They deserve to cover their cost of doing business and make (what I
believe to be) a modest profit. Of course, operation from a back room
in HK is less costly. So you will demo the radio at your "crooked"
local dealer for several hours and then order it from Hong Kong or buy
in in Tokyo. That sounds really fair! (Not).
The price-to-performance ratio of radios continues to decrease; the
reality is that, in today's market, we are all getting bargains compared
to 10, 20, 30 years ago.
On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 10:48:22 -0700, steven hershman
And BTW, I can make $400 in about 10 hours, in my sideline job, of
doing computer consulting. I spent less than two hours today
installing a MIDI keyboard and an optical scanner in a client's
computer, and pocketed about 80 bucks. Not bad for sitting on my
butt, and I charge half the industry standard.
Nope, you are not required to pay the salaries of HRO employees, but
you called them CROOKS. Justify that. The definition of crook is
swindler or thief. How can someone who operates a reputable business
that charges an economic profit be construed as a crook. No one at
any Ham Store has ever defrauded me, nor stolen my property or money,
nor done anything mean to me.
You called us suckers. I've also heard people that steal cable and
satellite TV refer to the paying customers a suckers...
BTW, depending on the state you live in you may be required to pay use
tax on that radio. Is there an import duty on that radio? Did you
abide by the law?
You fail to recognize the utility of a local dealership, you call
yourself smart. Have you ever lived in a city where the economic base
collapsed? I have. That's why I'm now living in Phoenix. When a
city dies you get blight, flight, higher crime rates, a decline in
city services, decline in schools. A smart person can see the big
I like the people at HRO Phoenix, I want those people to prosper like
I want to prosper. You want to save $400. Be my guest.
I already paid $1435 in Japan . The store owner wouldn't ship overseas to
USA! I told him I would post stuff (good stuff) but he said no. Hmmm gues he
doesn't want to make lots of $$$. Oh well.
If the radio goes for $1200 USA Dollars in Hong KONG then why are we being
charged $1820 here in the USA ???
I feel like we are getting RIPPED OFF!!!
73's Steve Hershman NS1R
> It should be just around HK$9000 ie US$1200.
It would be expensive to ship the Snowblower here from the Orient to save the $200.
Also to ship the Fruit from Peru wouldn't be worth it for the little you save
The FT-847 is small and light and NON perishable.
73's Steve Hershman NS1R
> >Why let the CROOKS at these ham stores take your hard earned $$.<BR>
> ................. I Can't blame you for wanting to save money but why the
> stupid remark about all American Ham Dealers being "crooks"??? I work at an
> authorized Yaesu dealer and I can tell you that the "dealer cost" of the
> FT-847 is within 8-12% of the U.S. selling price (assuming you are going to pay
> between 1820-1900 for the radio). It is Yaesu that sets the US price thru it's
> dealer wholesale costs. How about all those stupid rip-off crooks over at
> the hardware store selling you that honda snowblower for $1800? Didn't you
> know that the "street" price over in the Orient is $200 less than it is over
> here. And don't forget the crooks at the fruit store , they are shurley
> con-artists because a crate of banannas has a much lower "street" price in
> peru, right MR. Moron?
I think the point is not of ordering it from a foreign country and saving the
money but of WHY do the dealers in USA not lower the price accordingly without
changing the profit MARGIN. This way everyone comes out ahead of the game and not
just the dealers. Should the dealer in the US just obtain a windfall profit at
the consumers expense? Is there something I have overlooked? Perhaps they are
still selling merchandise from stock they had purchased before the price dropped?
The dealers here should make a decent return on the investments they have made, it
is to our advantage they stay in buisness. They are not crooks but they will
surely take advantage when the opportunity presents itself!
> > Well, now you guys have you opportunity. Instead of paying $1820 You pay
> > $1440. Hmmm that is almost $400 in YOUR
> > POCKET..Not HRO or AES etc. Yes, you get some warranty in the unlikely event
> > it fails but you may have to ship it back oveseas
> Doen't this sound like a neat concept?
> > Why let the CROOKS at these ham stores take your hard earned $$.
> > I have not ordered from this Dealer so I can not comment on his business
> > practices.
> Now that is a great thought. Rather than dealing with a local dealer we
> know, we should deal with someone we don't know, in what is now part of
> the Peoples Republic of China. Good thinking!
> BTW -- those "crooks" are not; just doing business fairly in my mind.
> They deserve to cover their cost of doing business and make (what I
> believe to be) a modest profit. Of course, operation from a back room
> in HK is less costly. So you will demo the radio at your "crooked"
> local dealer for several hours and then order it from Hong Kong or buy
> in in Tokyo. That sounds really fair! (Not).
> The price-to-performance ratio of radios continues to decrease; the
> reality is that, in today's market, we are all getting bargains compared
> to 10, 20, 30 years ago.
> Phil W7OX
>No one *needs* to ridicule you. Your messages do it so completely.
*** Flanagan W6OLD CFII Minden, Nevada DM09db (South of Reno)
................. I Can't blame you for wanting to save money but why theQuote:>From: steven hershman:
>Why let the CROOKS at these ham stores take your hard earned $$.<BR>
5. Hong Kong