Station ID's

Station ID's

Post by George Thurm » Wed, 19 Jan 1994 06:53:50


What are the latest rules regarding when a full-power AM or FM station
has to run a LEGAL station ID ??

I am hearing I station in the Chicago area that is running thier ID at 15min
to the hour.  I just beleive that is proper.

Deregulation is going too far.

gst

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Post by Tony Pellicc » Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:48:54




> What are the latest rules regarding when a full-power AM or FM station
> has to run a LEGAL station ID ??

> I am hearing I station in the Chicago area that is running thier ID at 15min
> to the hour.  I just beleive that is proper.

> Deregulation is going too far.

> gst

When I was on the air at WDOM we ID'd once an hour at five minutes to the
hour with the full station callsign, location, and frequency. But listen to
any radio station, they tell you at least 30 times an hour what you're
listening to. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. At WALE we
ID'd at 20 past, 40 past, and on the hour. We weren't as hyper about
letting people know who we were.

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Post by Charles E Laws » Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:25:21


> What are the latest rules regarding when a full-power AM or FM station
> has to run a LEGAL station ID ??

According to the latest edition of Pike & Fisher's FCC Broadcast Rules:

73.1201  Station identification.

             - (a)  When regularly required, broadcast station
     identification announcements shall be made:  (1) at
     the beginning and ending of each time of operation,
     and (2) hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a
     natural break in program offerings.  Television
     broadcast stations may make these announcements
     visually or aurally.

             (b)  Content.  (1)  Official station identification
     shall consist of the station's call letters
     immediately followed by the community or communities
     specified in its license as the station's location:
     provided, that the name of the licensee or the
     station's frequency or channel number, or both, as
     stated on the station's license may be inserted
     between the call letters and station location.  No
     other insertion is permissible.

Quote:> I am hearing I station in the Chicago area that is running thier ID at 15min
> to the hour.  I just beleive that is proper.

If you meant to say that your Chicago station was acting *im*properly, you
appear to be correct as the FCC would like all stations to identify
themselves at the *top* of the hour--not 15 minutes before.

Quote:>Deregulation is going too far.

You may be right but the FCC has taken so many cuts in budget of late that
they are all but powerless to enforce the rules that remain.

Chas.

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Post by Jack Kobze » Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:25:22





> > What are the latest rules regarding when a full-power AM or FM station
> > has to run a LEGAL station ID ??

> > I am hearing I station in the Chicago area that is running thier ID at 15min
> > to the hour.  I just beleive that is proper.

> When I was on the air at WDOM we ID'd once an hour at five minutes to the
> hour with the full station callsign, location, and frequency. But listen to
> any radio station, they tell you at least 30 times an hour what you're
> listening to. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. At WALE we
> ID'd at 20 past, 40 past, and on the hour.

I hear a LOT of stations that give their 'nickname' all the time, (KISS,
The Rock, The Eagle, etc.) but only give the legal ID on the hour. A fair
amount of the time, the legal ID is so rushed, you can harldly understand
it. It almost seems like some of these stations are embarrased by their
callsigns.

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Post by Robb Topols » Sun, 23 Jan 1994 10:25:33


> But listen to
> any radio station, they tell you at least 30 times an hour what you're
> listening to. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Not necessarily, Tony.  Some stations are calling themselves psuedonyms
like "Q101" or "K-Wave" ... and they do manage to squeeze in call letters
when they have to ... but if you asked someone where to tune for "WQCI" no
one would know, even though that station is number one in the market as
"Q101."

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Post by GARY BARRETT-WHO RADIO NE » Sun, 23 Jan 1994 10:25:44



>>When I was on the air at WDOM we ID'd once an hour at five minutes to the
>>hour with the full station callsign, location, and frequency. But listen to
>>any radio station, they tell you at least 30 times an hour what you're
>>listening to. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. At WALE we
>>ID'd at 20 past, 40 past, and on the hour. We weren't as hyper about
>>letting people know who we were.

>Yes, but unfortunately they tell you thirty times an hour what they call
>themselves, which isn't always their callsign.  You have to listen to them
>ID as "eagle ninety-three," "ninety-six rock," "oldies one-oh-five-point three"
>or some other such garbage  thirty times before you hear what their real
>call is, stuffed very quickly in between two commercial spots on the top
>of the hour.  This drives DX listeners up the wall.
>--scott

What really drives me up the wall is the fact that "programmers" seem to hate
call letters and IDs.  If there's one thing we Americans are, it's creatures of habit-
we are ingrained in certain things...that's why network news is at the top
of the hour...it doesn't do well any other position because WE EXPECT IT THERE.
We also EXPECT as listeners to get the station ID at the TOP of the hour.  It's
our TIME CHECK.  It's also something diary keepers can write down.  And that's
really what it's all about.  It's what a station has that can't be copied in
their market.  There are Lite Rock, Rock Easy, Pirate Rock stations that
get mis-identified by Arbitron because NEVER does the station use its call
sign or something to CLEARLY identify themselves.

Example:  In Des Moines, a CHR saw a consistant slump in ratings.  They
quit using the Q-102 slogan they'd been using for years and instead
their signature became "102.5...More Music, More Variety without all the
Heavy Metal and Rap".  Don't think that didn't lose them a lot of diaries.
Look away from this screen and try to repeat that slogan word for word...
They're now "Star 102.5" and nothing else...and slowing the ratings dive.

Another example:  My station, WHO, has the #1 12+ slot nailed down evenings
with only NBC/Westwood One's Talknet programming and some other satellite
shows.  How?  By inserting call letters everywhere...using custom-cut IDs,
liners and fillers to insert in the program to make it sound local.  

...But my experience with most music programmers in the 90s is they spend
too much time massaging their music databases and too little time with
the actual human element on their stations.

GB

 
 
 

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Post by Robert Cas » Tue, 25 Jan 1994 14:21:41

In a previous post in this thread, someone mentioned the rules on IDs being
callsign, city of license, and if the station wanted, frequency or channel
number.  My fathr has a very old FM radio (a Pilot mono tuner) with its
dial marked with frequencies and channel numbers.  Each FM broadcast frequency
has a channel number.  Think the range was like 200 at the bottom of the dial
(88.1 MHz) up to 299? for 107.9 MHz.  *Never* heard an FM station ID including
its channel number.  Not suprising, as my father seems to own the only radio
that had the channel numbers on the dial.  Imagine hearing "WDRE, channel 223,
Garden city".  Though, some program director might think it cute and unique.
"you're tuned to Channel 223, music in your ears and picture in your mind!"
or some such.  Only thing is virtually noone will know where to find ch 223
other than people thinking it's some screwball nickname.
 
 
 

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Post by Steven J. Sob » Tue, 25 Jan 1994 14:21:54



> > But listen to
> > any radio station, they tell you at least 30 times an hour what you're
> > listening to. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

> Not necessarily, Tony.  Some stations are calling themselves psuedonyms
> like "Q101" or "K-Wave" ... and they do manage to squeeze in call letters
> when they have to ... but if you asked someone where to tune for "WQCI" no
> one would know, even though that station is number one in the market as
> "Q101."

And then there are some stations that do what Kiss 98.5 does (or at least
used to do when I drove through the area)... give a spoken legal ID at about
10 before the hour ("WKSE Niagra Falls/Buffalo") and then have another ID
at the top of the hour ("Kiss 98.5, BUffalo") which is not technically a
legal ID but at least tells you where the signal is coming from.

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Post by barry mishki » Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:05:08


Quote:>In a previous post in this thread, someone mentioned the rules on IDs being
>callsign, city of license, and if the station wanted, frequency or channel
>number.  My fathr has a very old FM radio (a Pilot mono tuner) with its
>dial marked with frequencies and channel numbers.  Each FM broadcast frequency
>has a channel number.  Think the range was like 200 at the bottom of the dial
>(88.1 MHz) up to 299? for 107.9 MHz.  *Never* heard an FM station ID including
>its channel number.  Not suprising, as my father seems to own the only radio

Actually, if you listen to a translator, or a station IDing a translator,
you will hear the channel id, just like LPTV.

K280CE was on the air in Tucson, for instance on 103.9 (channel 280).

Since all of the numbers were three digits with an initial "2" there
was little differenciation in IDing that way. Hence the use of
the frequency. Just as the wavelength, in meters, became passe, so to the
stations being id'd by channel. In the early years, yes ... well ... look:

Here's a listing of FM stations from 1941.  

I believe the calls with an 'X' are still experimental stations.  The
other calls use the pre-1943 FM call letter system which reveals the
stations's frequency.  

frequency / call / city / licensee / power or coverage area
42.6 W1XK  Hull MA               Westinghouse Electric         1000 w
42.6 W1XSN E. Springfield MA     Westinghouse Electric         1000 w
42.6 W3XMC Washington DC         McNary & Chambers             1000 w
42.6 W8XAD Rochester             WHEC, Inc.                     250 w
42.6 W9XAO Milwaukee             The Milwaukee Journal Co.     1000 w
42.8 W2XMN Alpine                Major Armstrong              40000 w
42.8 W9XZR Chicago               Zenith Radio Corp.            5000 w
43.0 W2XMN Alpine                Major Armstrong               1000 w
43.0 W8XVH Columbus              WBNS Inc.                      250 w
43.2 W2XOR Long Island City      J. V. L. Hogan                1000 w
43.2 W3XO  Washington DC         Jansky & Bailey               1000 w
43.2 W8XVB Rochester             Stromberg Carlson             1000 w
43.5 W2XOR New York              Bamberger Broadcasting Co.    1000 w
43.7 W1XSO Hartford              The Travelers Bcg. Service    1000 w
43.9 W2XWG New York              NBC                           1000 w
43.9 W39B  Boston (Mt. Wash. NH) Yankee Network          31,000 sq mi
44.1 W1XPW Hartford              WDRC Inc.                     1000 w
44.5 K45LA Los Angeles           Don Lee System Inc.       6944 sq mi
44.5 W45CM Columbus              WBNS Inc.                12400 sq mi
44.5 W45D  Detroit               Evening News Association  6820 sq mi
44.5 W45RG Baton Rouge           Baton Rouge Bcg. Co.      8100 sq mi
44.5 W45V  Evansville            Evansville On The Air     8397 sq mi
44.7 K47SL Salt Lake City        Radio Serv. Corp. of Utah  623 sq mi
44.7 W47A  Albany (New Scotland) Capitol Broadcasting Co.  6589 sq mi
44.7 W47C  Chicago               WJJD Inc.               10,800 sq mi
44.7 W47NV Nashville             Natl. Life & Acc. Ins.  16,000 sq mi
44.7 W47P  Pittsburgh            Walker Downing Radio      8400 sq mi
44.8 W1XOJ Paxton MA             Yankee Network Inc.         50,000 w
44.9 W49BN Binghamton            Howitt-Wood Radio Co.     6500 sq mi
45.1 W2XWG New York              NBC                            100 w
45.1 W51C  Chicago               Zenith Radio Corp.      10,800 sq mi
45.1 W51NY New York              NBC                       8500 sq mi
45.3 W53H  Hartford (Avon)       Travelers Bcg. Co., Inc.  6100 sq mi
45.5 W55M  Milwaukee (Richfield) The Journal Co.           8540 sq mi
45.5 W55NY New York              William G. N. Finch       8500 sq mi
45.7 W57A  Albany (New Scotland) General Electric Co.      6589 sq mi
45.9 W59C  Chicago               WGN Inc.                10,800 sq mi
45.9 W59NY New York (Brooklyn)   Frequency Bcg. Corp.      8500 sq mi
46.3 W63C  Chicago               NBC                     10,800 sq mi
46.3 W63NY New York (Cliffside Pk.) Marcus Lowe Agency     8500 sq mi
46.3 W63SY Syracuse              Central NY Brdcstng. Co.  6800 sq mi
46.5 W65H  Hartford (Meriden)    WDRC Inc.                 6100 sq mi
46.7 W67NY New York              CBS                       8500 sq mi
46.7 W67C  Chicago               CBS                      10800 sq mi
46.9 W69PH Philadelphia          WCAU Broadcasting Co.        ...
47.1 W71NY New York              Bamberger Bcg. Corp.      8500 sq mi
47.5 W75NY New York              Metropolitan Telev. Corp. 8500 sq mi
47.5 W75P  Pittsburgh            Westinghouse Radio Sta.   8400 sq mi

hope this is interesting....

barry

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Post by b.j. mo » Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:05:09


>In a previous post in this thread, someone mentioned the rules on IDs being
>callsign, city of license, and if the station wanted, frequency or channel
>number.  My fathr has a very old FM radio (a Pilot mono tuner) with its
>dial marked with frequencies and channel numbers.  Each FM broadcast frequency
>has a channel number.  Think the range was like 200 at the bottom of the dial

       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the only time i remember reading the channel number of a station i worked at waswhen i signed on or signed off the air.  Thus to this day i can remember that
89.7 FM = channel 209A.

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Post by Dan Hugh » Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:05:10

Hi Robert,
  Legal IDs for radio stations now consist of the call letters
followed by the city of license, and it is optional to put the
name of the owner between these.  "WAMA, Vogel Broadcasting,
Selma, Alabama."  You may say anything you like immediately
before or after the call/city.  So it's perfectly legal to add
the channel designation, though as you say there probably aren't
a lot of Pilot mono tuners around these days.  
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Post by Rene Kah » Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:05:21



>...
>that had the channel numbers on the dial.  Imagine hearing "WDRE, channel 223,
>Garden city".  Though, some program director might think it cute and unique.
>"you're tuned to Channel 223, music in your ears and picture in your mind!"
>or some such.  Only thing is virtually noone will know where to find ch 223
>other than people thinking it's some screwball nickname.

I suspect that DAB (Digital Radio) will bring back the use of channel
numbers to radio.  I can't imagine "Majic 1458.35" or "1477.8 Rock" (in
L-band, as proposed).
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Post by Mike Wa » Thu, 27 Jan 1994 15:57:25


Quote:> You
> have to listen to them ID as "eagle ninety-three," "ninety-six
> rock," "oldies one-oh-five-point three" or some other such
> garbage  thirty times before you hear what their real call is,
> stuffed very quickly in between two commercial spots on the
> top of the hour.  This drives DX listeners up the wall.

I used to work for 95.9 WAX-FM in Youngstown...which, according
to the FCC, was WAXF(FM), Sharpsville, PA.  Like most stations in
small towns not far from metro areas, we did as you said, and
snuck in our legal ID in a *very* low voice in between two spots.
It used to just say "WAXF Sharpsville", and one day, my former
program director Ed Hill came into the studio and said, "you know,
we should tack 'Youngstown' onto the end of that".

Now, we had all of our liners and such voiced by some big booming
voice down in Dallas, and so I was more surprised than anyone
when the *very next day*, the ID said, "WAXF Sharpsville/Youngstown".
Overnight delivery?  Wasn't enough time...

It turns out that the ID was in such a low voice and said so
fast that I had no idea that it was voiced by our very own "S.T."
Fine, the 7-midnight guy. ;)

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Post by James P. McNichol » Thu, 27 Jan 1994 15:57:26



> > What are the latest rules regarding when a full-power AM or FM station
> > has to run a LEGAL station ID ??

        If the stations' natural break in programming is at
        :45 then it is quite legal to ID at that time!!  The
        station I work for has 2 breaks, per hour at :15 and
        at :45, we I.D. at the :45 break every hour, that is
        hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a "natural"
        break in program offerings!!!

Quote:> > I am hearing I station in the Chicago area that is running thier ID at 15mi
> > to the hour.  I just beleive that is proper.

        If they run a stop-set between there and the top their in trouble,
        but, if that's where the "natural" break in programming is then it
        is O.K.!

        Several stations around the country, run programs that run from :45
        til :15 should they stop the tape and utter those magic words or do
        it as the rules state at a natural break??

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