MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Ron Hardi » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00

There's a station that competes with Imus on WPHT 1210 Philly
and with WDAO 1210 Dayton in central Ohio, that I think is in Static TN.
However the call letters don't match and the station listed is
only 250w daytime, which wouldn't make it out the door.

http://home.att.net/~rhhardin2/temp.ra (6kb) (09:00 EDT Sunday)

which clearly says ``Static.''

The ID cut seems to say ``WS[F?]L[O?]B[V?] times, 1210 AM, Static''

Listed stations within 750 miles and distance from me are
1191.WQLS -- 1210 AM- Ozark, AL (CP) (612.80 miles)
1192.WDGR -- 1210 AM- Dahlonega, GA (385.13 miles)
1193.WILY -- 1210 AM- Centralia, IL (358.23 miles)
1194.WDAO -- 1210 AM- Dayton, OH (83.43 miles)
1195.WPHT -- 1210 AM- Philadelphia, PA (407.27 miles)
1196.WGSF -- 1210 AM- Bartlett, TN (510.48 miles)
1197.WSBI -- 1210 AM- Static, TN (267.51 miles)
1198.WJZZ -- 1210 AM- Kingsley, MI (349.18 miles)

The full choices are:
Calls   Freq   City                    State/  Day   Night Crit/Hrs  Ant
                                       Prov.   Pwr    Pwr     Pwr
KQTL    1210 SAHUARITA                   AZ   10000    1000           DAN
KQEQ    1210 FOWLER                      CA     370     370           ND1
KEBR    1210 ROCKLIN                     CA    5000     500           DAD
KPRZ    1210 SAN MARCOS-POWAY            CA   20000    5000           DA2
WNMA    1210 MIAMI SPRINGS               FL   25000    2500           DA2
WDGR    1210 DAHLONEGA                   GA   10000            2500   NDD
KZOO    1210 HONOLULU                    HI    1000    1000           ND1
WILY    1210 CENTRALIA                   IL    1000                   NDD
WSKR    1210 DENHAM SPRINGS              LA   10000    1000           DAN
WDAO    1210 DAYTON                      OH    1000                   NDD
KGYN    1210 GUYMON                      OK   10000   10000           DAN
WPHT    1210 PHILADELPHIA                PA   50000   50000           ND1
KOKK    1210 HURON                       SD    5000     900           DA2
WGSF    1210 BARTLETT                    TN   10000     250           DA2
WSBI    1210 STATIC                      TN     250                   NDD
KUBR    1210 SAN JUAN                    TX   10000    1000           DA2
KONY    1210 WASHINGTON                  UT   10000     250           ND1
KBSG    1210 AUBURN-FEDERAL WAY          WA   27500   10000           DA2
KREW    1210 SUNNYSIDE                   WA   10000    1000           ND1
KRSV    1210 AFTON                       WY    5000     250           ND1
KLDI    1210 LARAMIE                     WY   10000    1000           DAN
WHOY    1210 SALINAS                     PR    5000    5000           DA2
WJZZ    1210 KINGSLEY                    MI   50000            2500   NDD
CKWA    1210 SLAVE LAKE                  AB    1000    1000           ND1
CFYM    1210 KINDERSLEY                  SA    1000     250           ND1

If it helps, the mystery station is 200Hz high in frequency, which
used to be characteristic of WJZZ, except I think they were low,
and the call is clearly not WJZZ.

``Static'' is too much of a coincidence not to be right.  There must
be a new and more powerful station there.

I'm interested because an exact azimuth for them would be useful.
I have to null both them and WDAO to get WPHT clearly at certain times.
I suppose I could assume Static.
--
Ron Hardin

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Ron Hardi » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00



> http://home.att.net/~rhhardin2/temp.ra (6kb) (09:00 EDT Sunday)

Somethine weird, the G2 player cuts off the last second.  I'll
work on replacing it with a longer version to keep the last
syllable.
--
Ron Hardin

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Ron Hardi » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> If it helps, the mystery station is 200Hz high in frequency, which
> used to be characteristic of WJZZ, except I think they were low,
> and the call is clearly not WJZZ.

My mistake, 20 Hz high not 200.  WJZZ was in fact 200 Hz off though,
back when it was off.

The real audio cut is now lengthened to accommodate G2 players.
--
Ron Hardin

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Kent Winrich, K9E » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Why would it surprise you to hear a 250w station?  The TIS station in Dallas
(60w) is often heard in NZ.

What time of day are your receiving the station?

Kent Winrich, K9EZ
Wisconsin Radio Page http://www.execpc.com/~kwin/radio.html


> There's a station that competes with Imus on WPHT 1210 Philly
> and with WDAO 1210 Dayton in central Ohio, that I think is in Static TN.
> However the call letters don't match and the station listed is
> only 250w daytime, which wouldn't make it out the door.

> http://home.att.net/~rhhardin2/temp.ra (6kb) (09:00 EDT Sunday)

> which clearly says ``Static.''

> The ID cut seems to say ``WS[F?]L[O?]B[V?] times, 1210 AM, Static''

> Listed stations within 750 miles and distance from me are
> 1191.WQLS -- 1210 AM- Ozark, AL (CP) (612.80 miles)
> 1192.WDGR -- 1210 AM- Dahlonega, GA (385.13 miles)
> 1193.WILY -- 1210 AM- Centralia, IL (358.23 miles)
> 1194.WDAO -- 1210 AM- Dayton, OH (83.43 miles)
> 1195.WPHT -- 1210 AM- Philadelphia, PA (407.27 miles)
> 1196.WGSF -- 1210 AM- Bartlett, TN (510.48 miles)
> 1197.WSBI -- 1210 AM- Static, TN (267.51 miles)
> 1198.WJZZ -- 1210 AM- Kingsley, MI (349.18 miles)

> The full choices are:
> Calls   Freq   City                    State/  Day   Night Crit/Hrs  Ant
>                                        Prov.   Pwr    Pwr     Pwr
> KQTL    1210 SAHUARITA                   AZ   10000    1000           DAN
> KQEQ    1210 FOWLER                      CA     370     370           ND1
> KEBR    1210 ROCKLIN                     CA    5000     500           DAD
> KPRZ    1210 SAN MARCOS-POWAY            CA   20000    5000           DA2
> WNMA    1210 MIAMI SPRINGS               FL   25000    2500           DA2
> WDGR    1210 DAHLONEGA                   GA   10000            2500   NDD
> KZOO    1210 HONOLULU                    HI    1000    1000           ND1
> WILY    1210 CENTRALIA                   IL    1000                   NDD
> WSKR    1210 DENHAM SPRINGS              LA   10000    1000           DAN
> WDAO    1210 DAYTON                      OH    1000                   NDD
> KGYN    1210 GUYMON                      OK   10000   10000           DAN
> WPHT    1210 PHILADELPHIA                PA   50000   50000           ND1
> KOKK    1210 HURON                       SD    5000     900           DA2
> WGSF    1210 BARTLETT                    TN   10000     250           DA2
> WSBI    1210 STATIC                      TN     250                   NDD
> KUBR    1210 SAN JUAN                    TX   10000    1000           DA2
> KONY    1210 WASHINGTON                  UT   10000     250           ND1
> KBSG    1210 AUBURN-FEDERAL WAY          WA   27500   10000           DA2
> KREW    1210 SUNNYSIDE                   WA   10000    1000           ND1
> KRSV    1210 AFTON                       WY    5000     250           ND1
> KLDI    1210 LARAMIE                     WY   10000    1000           DAN
> WHOY    1210 SALINAS                     PR    5000    5000           DA2
> WJZZ    1210 KINGSLEY                    MI   50000            2500   NDD
> CKWA    1210 SLAVE LAKE                  AB    1000    1000           ND1
> CFYM    1210 KINDERSLEY                  SA    1000     250           ND1

> If it helps, the mystery station is 200Hz high in frequency, which
> used to be characteristic of WJZZ, except I think they were low,
> and the call is clearly not WJZZ.

> ``Static'' is too much of a coincidence not to be right.  There must
> be a new and more powerful station there.

> I'm interested because an exact azimuth for them would be useful.
> I have to null both them and WDAO to get WPHT clearly at certain times.
> I suppose I could assume Static.
> --
> Ron Hardin

> On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Doug Smit » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> There's a station that competes with Imus on WPHT 1210 Philly
> and with WDAO 1210 Dayton in central Ohio, that I think is in Static TN.
> However the call letters don't match and the station listed is
> only 250w daytime, which wouldn't make it out the door.
> which clearly says ``Static.''

What time of day?

I'm hearing someone 200Hz *low* in frequency on 1210 - it's 11:00 in the
morning so it must be fairly close.  (Windows 98 is refusing to run my
database viewer again...)  Dahlonega, GA; Centralia, IL; Dayton;
Bartlett, TN; and Static are all possibilities; I think Static is the
best one.  (I've been there, and it's a two-horse town.  The station
isn't anything to write home about either.)  Static is dead on the state
line, on US-127 north of Crossville.  Bartlett is directional & doesn't
favor your direction.  

I'll keep an ear on 1210 for a few hours & see if I can figure out who
the off-frequency station is.  WSBI is certainly capable of reaching
central Ohio.  
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://personal.bellsouth.net/~w9wi

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Doug Smit » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> http://home.att.net/~rhhardin2/temp.ra (6kb) (09:00 EDT Sunday)

Just listened to the RA clip.  It's definitely WSBI.  
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://personal.bellsouth.net/~w9wi
 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Ron Hardi » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Why would it surprise you to hear a 250w station?  The TIS station in Dallas
> (60w) is often heard in NZ.

9am local time.  It's competing with a 1kw station 80 miles away
and a 50kw station 400 miles away, both clearly audible and about
equal.  A 250w station 250 miles away is unlikely to be heard.
--
Ron Hardin

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Ron Hardi » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00



> > http://home.att.net/~rhhardin2/temp.ra (6kb) (09:00 EDT Sunday)

> Just listened to the RA clip.  It's definitely WSBI.

Yeah, it's amazing, if you listen for it that way it's obvious.
I was hearing it as
 ``WS[F?]L[O?]B[V?] times, 1210 AM, Static''

taking the ``I'' as ``times''.  In fact it's hard to reproduce the
way I was hearing it now.

The ``L[O?]'' was some interfering station's contribution.  You have
to expect the ``SLB'' to be said very fast to reproduce the
hearing, so it parses ending in B.

So the mystery is how come they're so strong in central Ohio
that I have to worry about them against WDAO and WPHT in the early
mornings.

Well anyway I know that I have to lay out two DA100E's along an
azimuth bisecting Dayton OH and Static TN, and then I can null
them both with an ANC-4.
--
Ron Hardin

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Ron Hardi » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> I'm hearing someone 200Hz *low* in frequency on 1210 - it's 11:00 in the
> morning so it must be fairly close.

(repost)
That's almost surely WJZZ in Kingsley MI.  They were 200Hz low a year
ago anyway.  I haven't noticed them recently in Ohio, but last year
I could hear them pretty much all day sometimes.
--
Ron Hardin

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by David Gleaso » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Quote:> There's a station that competes with Imus on WPHT 1210 Philly
> and with WDAO 1210 Dayton in central Ohio, that I think is in Static TN.
> However the call letters don't match and the station listed is
> only 250w daytime, which wouldn't make it out the door.

In the 60's I regularly heard 250 watt KIKI-830 in Hawai'i in Ohio; 50 watt
AFRTS from Ramey AFB, PR was also heard several times on 780. 250 watts on a
clear channel can travel between continents... and even make an impression
with the right conditions amid interference.
 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Doug Smit » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Yeah, it's amazing, if you listen for it that way it's obvious.
> I was hearing it as
>  ``WS[F?]L[O?]B[V?] times, 1210 AM, Static''

It's strange, how sometimes two different people hear the same sound two
totally different ways!  I've done a bit of "team DXing" (several people
listening to the same FM receiver or watching the same TV at the same
time) and it's amazing the different things different people key on.  

Quote:> So the mystery is how come they're so strong in central Ohio
> that I have to worry about them against WDAO and WPHT in the early
> mornings.

How often?  We had a *** solar flare Friday which would have done bad
things to northern paths.  Could be WSBI will disappear when the sun
settles back to normal.  Then again, maybe not<g>.

Quote:> Well anyway I know that I have to lay out two DA100E's along an
> azimuth bisecting Dayton OH and Static TN, and then I can null
> them both with an ANC-4.

Yes, it's getting pretty hard to achieve interference-free AM reception
from anything more than 50 miles away these days..  
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.redwaveradio.com/~w9wi
 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Doug Smit » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> That's almost surely WJZZ in Kingsley MI.  They were 200Hz low a year
> ago anyway.  I haven't noticed them recently in Ohio, but last year
> I could hear them pretty much all day sometimes.

I suppose that's possible, but it's a long way to Kingsley from here!
500 miles, at least, probably closer to 600.  

The het did disappear later on.  Now, around 6:30 CDT, I have someone
some 400Hz low(?!).  
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://personal.bellsouth.net/~w9wi

 
 
 

MW station ID? 1210 Static TN? Static TN listeners, what's on 1210?

Post by Ron Hardi » Tue, 26 Oct 1999 04:00:00



> > That's almost surely WJZZ in Kingsley MI.  They were 200Hz low a year
> > ago anyway.  I haven't noticed them recently in Ohio, but last year
> > I could hear them pretty much all day sometimes.

> I suppose that's possible, but it's a long way to Kingsley from here!
> 500 miles, at least, probably closer to 600.

This morning at 9am I'm getting WDGR 1210 in GA (10kw) over the
desired WPHT 1210 Philly (50kw), after I null out WDAO 1210 (1kw) Dayton,
in central Ohio.  No rest for the weary.  I can hear WPHT audio under it too.

Something's really favoring N-S paths.
--
Ron Hardin

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.