2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by Peter Morg » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00



Quote:>Newsgroups line:
>uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service    Programmes of the BBC World Service

...

I saw no comments from you when a variety of posters discussed the
merits of an alternative to it being in  uk.*   There is no doubt
the service, paid for by the Foreign Office, is intended primarily
for those outside the UK (else there would already be an AM or FM
service running and adequately serving the UK listeners). I have
no doubt (there being a dozen or more UK posters) that it is of
some interest within the UK, but have not yet seen overwhelming
arguments to suggest uk.* would be better than the (to me, and
some non-UK residents) the more "obvious" use of the rec.radio
hierarchy  eg   rec.radio.bbc-world-service

Some posters have made suggestions such as:

 o it is the UK's service for the world

 o we pay for it, we should be able to hear it better

 o it needs to cover WS policy matters, reception, etc.

 o for those to talk about the WS with a UK perspective

It strikes me that none of these require that the newsgroup be in
the uk.* NGs - not even the last, and I've no doubt that it would
still be accommodated if it were within a  r.r.*  NG.  In the mass
of postings in r.r.s I suspect yours will not have been seen, so I
am cross-posting this to highlight the fact you're moving on to the
2nd RFD...  I just hope that some comments from r.r.s readers will
be forthcoming (and please, not about it being under r.r.s as it
is heard on a variety of services, from the 'net and LW, AM, short-
wave, FM to satellite, in different parts of the world).

Some of you (with Real Audio) might also have heard the discussion
on Saturday's VOA Communications World about the programming on
different strands of the World Service, as heard outside this
country.... if you care to listen, it is in the WRN archive
 www.wrn.org/ondemand/  on the link for CW.   Peter Morgan.

 
 
 

2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by The NewsBrowse » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Peter,

Thanks for your post. Replies inserted.




>>Newsgroups line:
>>uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service Programmes of the BBC World Service
>...

>I saw no comments from you when a variety of posters discussed the
>merits of an alternative to it being in  uk.*

That's right... in fact, in the very first post I made to unnc, I
raised this issue, because I wasn't sure at the time where it should
be, but eventually I came to decide that there would be no reason
not to have it in the uk.* hierarchy. I did not respond, because
quite a few people made the points I would have made anyway :)
(See below.) I'm not obliged to respond then, am I?

Quote:>There is no doubt
>the service, paid for by the Foreign Office, is intended primarily
>for those outside the UK (else there would already be an AM or FM
>service running and adequately serving the UK listeners). I have
>no doubt (there being a dozen or more UK posters) that it is of
>some interest within the UK, but have not yet seen overwhelming
>arguments to suggest uk.* would be better than the (to me, and
>some non-UK residents) the more "obvious" use of the rec.radio
>hierarchy  eg   rec.radio.bbc-world-service

I take your point that it is an international service and it could
be argued that it should be in the rec.radio.* hierarchy, but if
it originates in the UK, that would seem to me to be a good enough
reason to have it in the uk.* hierarchy. There is no restriction
on postings being made only from listeners resident in the UK; and
the one point that would have dissuaded me from continuing
with the RFD of umrb-w-s - propagation - does not, from what I
have read in the discussions, appear to be an issue.

Quote:

>Some posters have made suggestions such as:

> o it is the UK's service for the world

> o we pay for it, we should be able to hear it better

> o it needs to cover WS policy matters, reception, etc.

> o for those to talk about the WS with a UK perspective

>It strikes me that none of these require that the newsgroup be in
>the uk.* NGs - not even the last,

But none of them require that it be in the r.r.* hierarchy either.

Quote:>and I've no doubt that it would
>still be accommodated if it were within a  r.r.*  NG.  In the mass
>of postings in r.r.s I suspect yours will not have been seen, so I
>am cross-posting this to highlight the fact you're moving on to the
>2nd RFD...  I just hope that some comments from r.r.s readers will
>be forthcoming (and please, not about it being under r.r.s as it
>is heard on a variety of services, from the 'net and LW, AM, short-
>wave, FM to satellite, in different parts of the world).

Indeed, I hope so as well.

Cheers,

Akin

 
 
 

2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by Meg Worl » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Following up to Akin's post somewhat indirectly...

While I would prefer to see a BBC-WS group in the Big 8, that
clearly ain't gonna happen: I posted a couple of weeks ago to
all three groups (ie, these two + news.group) to gauge interest,
and there is damn little, apparently.  So, either the group
gets created in uk.* or not at all -- and I think we can all
agree on which option we prefer.

Rage away,

meg

--

 
 
 

2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by David Damerel » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>While I would prefer to see a BBC-WS group in the Big 8, that
>clearly ain't gonna happen: I posted a couple of weeks ago to
>all three groups (ie, these two + news.group) to gauge interest,
>and there is damn little, apparently.  So, either the group
>gets created in uk.* or not at all -- and I think we can all
>agree on which option we prefer.

Also, it's not "the group"; I wouldn't encourage this attitude where there
is an easy choice, but there's nothing to stop the rec.radio advocates
pursuing group creation there, and the uk.rec advocates pursuing group
creation here.
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2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by Meg Worl » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>>While I would prefer to see a BBC-WS group in the Big 8, that
>>clearly ain't gonna happen: I posted a couple of weeks ago to
>>all three groups (ie, these two + news.groups) to gauge interest,
>>and there is damn little, apparently.  So, either the group
>>gets created in uk.* or not at all -- and I think we can all
>>agree on which option we prefer.
David writes:
>Also, it's not "the group"; I wouldn't encourage this attitude where there
>is an easy choice, but there's nothing to stop the rec.radio advocates
>pursuing group creation there, and the uk.rec advocates pursuing group
>creation here.

I'm not sure I agree.  For one thing, there is a general policy
on news.groups to avoid simultaneous RFDs on a topic there and
in uk.n.n.config.  Russ Allbery (moderator of n.a.n.) posted on
this earlier in the BBC-WS thread.

Second, though, I haven't really seen much sign of r.r.s.
advocates at all -- a half dozen at most, and none of them
with the fire in the belly to steer an RFD to blastoff.
Certainly not the 120 that would be necessary to have a
Big 8 group pass.

So, although I *wish* you were right, I think that in practical
terms we are indeed talking about "the group."

Rage away,

meg

--

 
 
 

2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by David Damerel » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>David writes:
>>Also, it's not "the group"; I wouldn't encourage this attitude where there
>>is an easy choice, but there's nothing to stop the rec.radio advocates
>>pursuing group creation there, and the uk.rec advocates pursuing group
>>creation here.
>I'm not sure I agree.  For one thing, there is a general policy
>on news.groups to avoid simultaneous RFDs on a topic there and
>in uk.n.n.config.  Russ Allbery (moderator of n.a.n.) posted on
>this earlier in the BBC-WS thread.

I suppose there is that; generally it's a sensible policy, but I think in
this case it's going to be a bit of a nuisance.

Quote:>Second, though, I haven't really seen much sign of r.r.s.
>advocates at all -- a half dozen at most, and none of them
>with the fire in the belly to steer an RFD to blastoff.
>Certainly not the 120 that would be necessary to have a
>Big 8 group pass.

That's more of a point.
--

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Post by Dr John Stockto » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00





>>David writes:
>>>Also, it's not "the group"; I wouldn't encourage this attitude where there
>>>is an easy choice, but there's nothing to stop the rec.radio advocates
>>>pursuing group creation there, and the uk.rec advocates pursuing group
>>>creation here.
>>I'm not sure I agree.  For one thing, there is a general policy
>>on news.groups to avoid simultaneous RFDs on a topic there and
>>in uk.n.n.config.  Russ Allbery (moderator of n.a.n.) posted on
>>this earlier in the BBC-WS thread.

>I suppose there is that; generally it's a sensible policy, but I think in
>this case it's going to be a bit of a nuisance.

Is there any significant demand for a non-uk.* newsgroup, apart from by
a few loud Americans?  I think not, in which case their obvious move is
to use their very own national hierarchy, in which, AIUI, it is
sufficiently easy to create a needed newsgroup.

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Post by Meg Worl » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Quote:John writes:
>Is there any significant demand for a non-uk.* newsgroup, apart from by
>a few loud Americans?  I think not, in which case their obvious move is
>to use their very own national hierarchy, in which, AIUI, it is
>sufficiently easy to create a needed newsgroup.

Well, as I pointed out earlier, I don't think there is any
significant demand outside the UK whatsoever, so the obvious
move for loud Americans is to read the uk.* group.  Ditto
expats and others of that ilk.

It all seems rather simple to me.

Rage away,

meg

--

 
 
 

2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by The NewsBrowse » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>John writes:
>>Is there any significant demand for a non-uk.* newsgroup, apart from by
>>a few loud Americans?  I think not, in which case their obvious move is
>>to use their very own national hierarchy, in which, AIUI, it is
>>sufficiently easy to create a needed newsgroup.

>Well, as I pointed out earlier, I don't think there is any
>significant demand outside the UK whatsoever, so the obvious
>move for loud Americans is to read the uk.* group.  Ditto
>expats and others of that ilk.

>It all seems rather simple to me.

Good, because I plan to fast-track this in the next few days.

Akin

 
 
 

2nd RFD: uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service

Post by Dr John Stockto » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00




>John writes:
>>Is there any significant demand for a non-uk.* newsgroup, apart from by
>>a few loud Americans?  I think not, in which case their obvious move is
>>to use their very own national hierarchy, in which, AIUI, it is
>>sufficiently easy to create a needed newsgroup.

>Well, as I pointed out earlier, I don't think there is any
>significant demand outside the UK whatsoever, so the obvious
>move for loud Americans is to read the uk.* group.  Ditto
>expats and others of that ilk.

>It all seems rather simple to me.

Yes, but it would be rather un-gentlemanlike to encourage any loud
Americans into a peaceful newsgroup; though evidently that will not
bother you.

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Post by Brent McKe » Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:00:00







> >>David writes:
> >>>Also, it's not "the group"; I wouldn't encourage this attitude where
there
> >>>is an easy choice, but there's nothing to stop the rec.radio advocates
> >>>pursuing group creation there, and the uk.rec advocates pursuing group
> >>>creation here.
> >>I'm not sure I agree.  For one thing, there is a general policy
> >>on news.groups to avoid simultaneous RFDs on a topic there and
> >>in uk.n.n.config.  Russ Allbery (moderator of n.a.n.) posted on
> >>this earlier in the BBC-WS thread.

> >I suppose there is that; generally it's a sensible policy, but I think
in
> >this case it's going to be a bit of a nuisance.

> Is there any significant demand for a non-uk.* newsgroup, apart from by
> a few loud Americans?  I think not, in which case their obvious move is
> to use their very own national hierarchy, in which, AIUI, it is
> sufficiently easy to create a needed newsgroup.

I'm one of those "loud Americans" (although I am a Canadian) my basic
objection to a uk.* group was a matter of propagation, not to my server
obviously but to others.  That said, I do believe that some group should be
created, and if the impetus to create one is found in the uk. hierarchy
then I guess I can live with it.  

Not that I'd have that much choice ;-)

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Post by Chris Crought » Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:44:27 +0100, Andy Roberts

Quote:>Just out of interest, if a World Service group isn't the
>sort of topic for which it would be possible to create an
>international big8 group then do *any* such topics still
>exist or is the big8 now, to all intents and purposes,
>closed ?

Well, if it weren't the BBC World Service but Voice of America instead,
there might be a chance of getting it created.  A lot of Americans still
think that the USA is "the world" (yes, it's getting better but I still
see enough "we do things like this in America so you're all a load of
idiots for doing it any different" posts in international newsgroups).

Hmm, a newsgroup for the "Voice of Russia World Service"?  That one
really confused me when it started talking (in English) about "The
Commonwealth" which apparently included Georgia...

Chris C

 
 
 

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