Degen 1102 arrived

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Sanjay » Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:53:03

Still testing this radio.The page system with SSB
only on page 9 leaves a little to be desired, but it has great
speaker sound, it's sensitive and selective... dual conversion.
Noticeable, but not terrible, hum when using the a/c adaptor and
included 220/110 converter.

It's plugged into the wall outlet, so I'll see if an RFI/EMI shielded
surge suppressor helps. Setup of 10k steps for MW and 24 hour clock
is done by taking out the batteries and reinserting them after the display goes
blank. Then pressing buttons in sequence.
Takes a little practice, but worked for me by following the instructions
in the English manual.

It looks very cool with the whole keypad lighted up in the dark.
The radiointel review is located here
http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm
The quality is very good. Nice looking, solid.
Small, but well built, and has SSB.

I would like to publically thank eBay seller Liypn for his great service
and product. I can't vouch for other radios, but the DE1102
is an excellent value.

The radio arrived from China 7 days after I got his notification
of having sent it. Liypn's eBay store is at
http://www.stores.ebay.com/id=68650377&ssPageName=L2
He has more Degen 1102s and some Tecsun PL-230s.
Shipping is $19 US, but the radio's cost offsets that, and
again... it arrived in seven days. It included a free
power converter also. I will purchase from him again.

Anyone who likes to play with new stuff and can afford the
~$69 (incl. shipping) should check out the DE1102 from Liypn.

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Tom Wel » Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:13:12


Sanjaya:

How is this radio on FM?  And have you
encountered any of the bugs others have
reported?

How long does this radio go on a charge
of batteries?

Finally, do you think a program listener
would be better off buying the 1101
instead or is the 1102 a better performer?

Tom Welch

."


> Still testing this radio.The page system with SSB
> only on page 9 leaves a little to be desired, but it has great
> speaker sound, it's sensitive and selective... dual conversion.
> Noticeable, but not terrible, hum when using the a/c adaptor and
> included 220/110 converter.

> It's plugged into the wall outlet, so I'll see if an RFI/EMI shielded
> surge suppressor helps. Setup of 10k steps for MW and 24 hour clock
> is done by taking out the batteries and reinserting them after the display goes
> blank. Then pressing buttons in sequence.
> Takes a little practice, but worked for me by following the instructions
> in the English manual.

> It looks very cool with the whole keypad lighted up in the dark.
> The radiointel review is located here
> http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm
> The quality is very good. Nice looking, solid.
> Small, but well built, and has SSB.

> I would like to publically thank eBay seller Liypn for his great service
> and product. I can't vouch for other radios, but the DE1102
> is an excellent value.

> The radio arrived from China 7 days after I got his notification
> of having sent it. Liypn's eBay store is at
> http://www.stores.ebay.com/id=68650377&ssPageName=L2
> He has more Degen 1102s and some Tecsun PL-230s.
> Shipping is $19 US, but the radio's cost offsets that, and
> again... it arrived in seven days. It included a free
> power converter also. I will purchase from him again.

> Anyone who likes to play with new stuff and can afford the
> ~$69 (incl. shipping) should check out the DE1102 from Liypn.

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Diverd47 » Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:48:16

Hi Sanjaya:

- It would be interesting if you could do a " Head To Head" comparison
of these two radios (  Degen 1101 and 1102 )
 on the same faint station;
- Such as 12.095 ( BBC from Ascension Island)
which is ( for me) a difficult catch

I suppose off the whip and then with an external antenna
to make it more interesting;

& BYW , thanks for all these posts.

Dan



>Sanjaya:

>How is this radio on FM?  And have you
>encountered any of the bugs others have
>reported?

>How long does this radio go on a charge
>of batteries?

>Finally, do you think a program listener
>would be better off buying the 1101
>instead or is the 1102 a better performer?

>Tom Welch

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Sanjay » Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:55:19

"Tom Welch" wrote..

Quote:> Sanjaya:

> How is this radio on FM?  And have you
> encountered any of the bugs others have
> reported?

> How long does this radio go on a charge
> of batteries?

> Finally, do you think a program listener
> would be better off buying the 1101
> instead or is the 1102 a better performer?

> Tom Welch

Hi Tom.
FM reception is good, There is a bass boost for headphone
listening, and stereo through the headphones too. MW is good
also, by the standard I use... WOAI 1200 kHz in San Antonio, Texas.
It's about 960 miles from me and everytime I get a new radio
I try that on MW.
I haven't encountered any bugs. Unless you count
having to read the manual to learn how certain
features work : )
The speaker sounds very good for a small radio, but I don't use
it for music other than the music I hear on shortwave.
There is a "news/music" switch to change the tone.
I'm testing the batteries now. First charge of the included NiMH batteries...
only about 8 hours of use so far, so I don't know how long they'll last
yet. However, they can be charged right in the radio, which to me is
a big plus. I'll post again if you want and let you know about
battery life.
Reading the radiointel reviews of the 1102 and 1101 I see
that the 1101 leaves a bit to be desired in the area of selectivity.
The 1102 is dual conversion and has good selectivity. Also, according
to the review the 1101 is only 9 kHz steps on MW. My DE1102 can
be set for 9 or 10 kHz steps on MW. I don't know if current models
of the radios are the same as the ones reviewed.
http://www.radiointel.com/reviews.htm
My answer to your question, not having tested an 1101, is that the
DE1102 is a better performer.
The only thing I'd change on the 1102 is that the "on" button
doesn't turn the radio on permanently. Default is a 99 minute
timer. But you can turn that off and have the radio on permanently by
holding down the "exit" button for 2 seconds, then in sequence pressing the
"enter" button and the "exit" button again. I have forgotten to
do that a couple of times and the radio shut off after 99 minutes.
The page system is ok, but SSB is only available in page 9. So
that could be a drawback for some. I don't like having to refer
to the manual. I've had to get it out a couple of times to remind
myself how stuff works. I can live with that though because of
the quality of the radio versus the cost.
$70 *delivered* for a dual conversion, PLL synthesized SSB
capable shortwave radio!!! Right now I'd
say it's the best value in a shortwave radio I've ever seen.
 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Sanjay » Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:13:34

Quote:"Diverd4777" wrote...
> Hi Sanjaya:

> - It would be interesting if you could do a " Head To Head" comparison
> of these two radios (  Degen 1101 and 1102 )
>  on the same faint station;
> - Such as 12.095 ( BBC from Ascension Island)
> which is ( for me) a difficult catch

> I suppose off the whip and then with an external antenna
> to make it more interesting;

> & BYW , thanks for all these posts.

> Dan

You're welcome Dan.
Yes, please send me a DE1101 so I can run the
"Head To Head" tests : )
All kidding aside... I posted to Tom that radiointel.com
reviewed both and found the 1101 lacking in selectivity.
The 1102 is dual conversion.
I just entered 12095 in the 1102 and could hear BBC. When it first came
on I couldn't read it. Moving the radio nearer the window
helped. Then the portable antenna let me hear enough
to ID it by hearing them say BBC. Propagation was
taking it in and out. It was not listenable but it was there on
the whip and reel antenna. Not a real test though.
I'm in the southeast US so I probably get an advantage
for some things.
 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Sanjay » Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:40:14

Quote:"Diverd4777" wrote...
> Hi Sanjaya:

> - It would be interesting if you could do a " Head To Head" comparison
> of these two radios (  Degen 1101 and 1102 )
>  on the same faint station;
> - Such as 12.095 ( BBC from Ascension Island)
> which is ( for me) a difficult catch

> I suppose off the whip and then with an external antenna
> to make it more interesting;

> & BYW , thanks for all these posts.

> Dan

I just tested the DE1102 again on 12.095
2030 UTC Feb. 6, 2004

I was surprised to hear it very clearly.
I'd give it a SINPO 44333 and I'm using
only the telescoping antenna.
As readable as 5975 is for me later in the day.
I'm amazed... RLDB says 12.095 is Ascension
targeted at South Africa at this time.

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Diverd47 » Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:57:01



>"Diverd4777" wrote...
>> Hi Sanjaya:

>> - It would be interesting if you could do a " Head To Head" comparison
>> of these two radios (  Degen 1101 and 1102 )
>>  on the same faint station;
>> - Such as 12.095 ( BBC from Ascension Island)
>> which is ( for me) a difficult catch

>> I suppose off the whip and then with an external antenna
>> to make it more interesting;

>> & BYW , thanks for all these posts.

>> Dan

>I just tested the DE1102 again on 12.095
>2030 UTC Feb. 6, 2004

>I was surprised to hear it very clearly.
>I'd give it a SINPO 44333 and I'm using
>only the telescoping antenna.
>As readable as 5975 is for me later in the day.
>I'm amazed... RLDB says 12.095 is Ascension
>targeted at South Africa at this time.

Wow !! really good little receiver, thanks for the heads-up..!
12.095 is on " Microwave Beach" on ascension, the RF is so high
they have signs warning aboout it;
- Neat way to barbqueue
& when I win the Lottery I'll BUY you a 1101
for your efforts..
Thanks again

Dan

-

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Sanjay » Sun, 08 Feb 2004 06:13:47

Quote:"Diverd4777" wrote...
> Wow !! really good little receiver, thanks for the heads-up..!
> 12.095 is on " Microwave Beach" on ascension, the RF is so high
> they have signs warning aboout it;
> - Neat way to barbqueue
> & when I win the Lottery I'll BUY you a 1101
> for your efforts..
> Thanks again

> Dan

Laughing!!!
I won't hold my breath, but just in case... I'm
saving this post!!!
 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Diverd47 » Sun, 08 Feb 2004 06:19:30

Here in NYC, 12.095 is coming in Very clear on my Sangean 606A;
pretty good propagation this afternoon..
Hope it continues into the evening;;

- Always like to Listen to " Alan Wiener Worldwide" at 8:00
on 7.415
& the other program immediatly afterwards..

Dan



>I just tested the DE1102 again on 12.095
>2030 UTC Feb. 6, 2004

>I was surprised to hear it very clearly.
>I'd give it a SINPO 44333 and I'm using
>only the telescoping antenna.
>As readable as 5975 is for me later in the day.
>I'm amazed... RLDB says 12.095 is Ascension
>targeted at South Africa at this time.

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Bo » Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:15:47

Dan:   Check Michaels posting of a month or two back.  He has both
radios and found that the 1101 was more selective on SW.  The
RadioIntel review mentioned problems with a MW local 5kw station
bleeding over.  Russ made no mention of selectivity problems on SW.
       The program listener would probably get along fine on the 1101
although, personally, I like the ability to be able to off tune a KHz
or two as necessary.  The 1101 tunes in 5 KHz steps only.
     Regards
     Bob

> "Tom Welch" wrote..
> > Sanjaya:

> > How is this radio on FM?  And have you
> > encountered any of the bugs others have
> > reported?

> > How long does this radio go on a charge
> > of batteries?

> > Finally, do you think a program listener
> > would be better off buying the 1101
> > instead or is the 1102 a better performer?

> > Tom Welch

> Hi Tom.
> FM reception is good, There is a bass boost for headphone
> listening, and stereo through the headphones too. MW is good
> also, by the standard I use... WOAI 1200 kHz in San Antonio, Texas.
> It's about 960 miles from me and everytime I get a new radio
> I try that on MW.
> I haven't encountered any bugs. Unless you count
> having to read the manual to learn how certain
> features work : )
> The speaker sounds very good for a small radio, but I don't use
> it for music other than the music I hear on shortwave.
> There is a "news/music" switch to change the tone.
> I'm testing the batteries now. First charge of the included NiMH batteries...
> only about 8 hours of use so far, so I don't know how long they'll last
> yet. However, they can be charged right in the radio, which to me is
> a big plus. I'll post again if you want and let you know about
> battery life.
> Reading the radiointel reviews of the 1102 and 1101 I see
> that the 1101 leaves a bit to be desired in the area of selectivity.
> The 1102 is dual conversion and has good selectivity. Also, according
> to the review the 1101 is only 9 kHz steps on MW. My DE1102 can
> be set for 9 or 10 kHz steps on MW. I don't know if current models
> of the radios are the same as the ones reviewed.
> http://www.radiointel.com/reviews.htm
> My answer to your question, not having tested an 1101, is that the
> DE1102 is a better performer.
> The only thing I'd change on the 1102 is that the "on" button
> doesn't turn the radio on permanently. Default is a 99 minute
> timer. But you can turn that off and have the radio on permanently by
> holding down the "exit" button for 2 seconds, then in sequence pressing the
> "enter" button and the "exit" button again. I have forgotten to
> do that a couple of times and the radio shut off after 99 minutes.
> The page system is ok, but SSB is only available in page 9. So
> that could be a drawback for some. I don't like having to refer
> to the manual. I've had to get it out a couple of times to remind
> myself how stuff works. I can live with that though because of
> the quality of the radio versus the cost.
> $70 *delivered* for a dual conversion, PLL synthesized SSB
> capable shortwave radio!!! Right now I'd
> say it's the best value in a shortwave radio I've ever seen.

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Tom Wel » Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:31:38

Sanjaya:

I ordered the Kaito 1102 from Grove
Enterprises this morning and should
have the radio by Monday afternoon.

I really like the pictures I have
seen of this radio...the backlighting
and such.

I am hoping this is a step up from
the Sangean ATS 606 I now have.  BTW,
I ordered a black radio, not a silver
one.

Let us know of your experiences with
your 1102.

Does the longwire make a difference?

Tom Welch

 
 
 

Degen 1102 arrived

Post by Sanjay » Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:21:43

Quote:"Tom Welch" wrote...
> Sanjaya:

> I ordered the Kaito 1102 from Grove
> Enterprises this morning and should
> have the radio by Monday afternoon.

> I really like the pictures I have
> seen of this radio...the backlighting
> and such.

> I am hoping this is a step up from
> the Sangean ATS 606 I now have.  BTW,
> I ordered a black radio, not a silver
> one.

> Let us know of your experiences with
> your 1102.

> Does the longwire make a difference?

> Tom Welch

Hi Tom.

The wire that comes with the DE1102 is only about 12 feet.
Get a Sangean Ant-60, I think universal-radio.com has them for
$13 US. It's 23 feet, and can be clipped to a window frame.
That's all I use other than the whip on each radio. It makes a difference
with weaker stations for me.

The ATS-606 is a good radio. I love mine (aka RS DX-399)

You'll like having the SSB function of
the 1102 available. And the size is comparable, making it excellent
for travel. I'm thinking of boxing up some of the other radios lying
around here. The 1102 is really excellent in my opinion. But it is
a bit more complicated to use than other portables. So read the
manual. After following the procedures it outlines for charging
the batteries, turning off the 99 minute default sleep timer and
a few other things a couple of times you'll forget about the learning
curve. When I compare the price of the Sangean to the Degen/Kaito
and what you get for the money (including 3 rechargeable batteries
that charge in the radio, SSB, 190 presets etc.) I'd recommend the
1102 hands down.